We did it. We nap trained Olive!
I love her little face! She has such girly features.
First we had to decide when to nap train. We sleep trained Charlie when he was 4 1/2 months and I have no regrets about that, except maybe we should have sleep trained a little earlier (or rather instilled better sleeping habits from the get-go). He was a big baby though and I didn’t feel comfortable sleep training Olive when she was that young because she was so small, having been born at under 5 pounds. Also Olive’s sleep wasn’t nearly as bad as Charlie’s was, so we were able to wait. Finally, I was waiting for her to hit a couple of milestones around the 6 month mark that may have helped her become a better sleeper: being able to roll from tummy to back, sleeping on her tummy on her own (most babies sleep better on their tummies), and starting solids.
According to the book Bed Timing, 5.5 – 7.5 months is the ideal time to sleep train, and I wanted to sleep train some time during that time period. But since Olive was born a month early, she seemed to be developing closer to her adjusted age rather than her actual age, so I started seriously considering sleep training when she was 6.5 months old rather than 5.5 months. At that point Olive had still not mastered rolling from her stomach to her back in her crib (though she could do it on the floor), and she would cry frantically every time she found herself on her stomach until I came and got her. So I postponed sleep training until she was able to roll over both ways easily.
Time flew by and Olive was 8 months old! I was dreading sleep training because she has a strong personality — I thought she would be much harder to sleep train than Charlie, and imagined hours and hours of crying. But Bed Timing says that 8-11 months is not a good time to sleep train, so I wanted to get it done before Olive turned 8 months old (adjusted).
Olive’s potential future boyfriend (he’s 2 days younger). They had a lovely date yesterday eating mum mums and standing while holding onto this fence.
Here’s how we did it:
Last Monday, Olive wouldn’t go down for her morning nap. She always goes down for her morning nap since I nurse her down. So I decided to plop her into her crib wide awake. She rolled around for 10 minutes babbling and playing, then she rolled around for another 10 minutes fussing, and then she fell asleep! I wasn’t even planning on nap training that day, but decided in the moment that it was a great time to start. My plan of action was:
1) implement a new nap routine
2) put Olive in her crib awake
3) cap crying depending on how frantically she’s crying (with Charlie we capped crying at 20 minutes)
4) if she doesn’t go down for a nap, try again in an hour.
Miracle of all miracles, Olive took to nap training from day one and went down for her second nap of the day with only 1 minute of crying. She’s only cried a couple of times total, and even when she did cry, it was less than 3 minutes! Since she was putting herself to sleep, her naps also lengthened from one sleep cycle (30-40 min) to up to 2 hours! This is how her naps went down last week:
Monday, June 18
9:00am – 1 1/2 hour awake before in crib for Nap #1, played 10 min then fussed 10 min
9:20am – 10:50am – 1 hour 30 min nap
1:20pm – 2 1/2 hours awake before in crib for Nap #2, 1 min crying
1:38pm – 2:34pm – 1 hour nap
Tuesday, June 19
9:47am – 2 hours awake before in crib for Nap #1, no crying
9:55am – 12:01pm – 2 hour nap
2:33pm – in crib for Nap #2, no crying
2:39pm – 4:00pm – 1 hour 21 min nap (woke her up to stay on schedule)
Wednesday, June 20
9:13am – 1 hr 45 min awake before in crib for Nap #1, cried 3 min
9:16am – 10:22am – 1 hour 6 min nap
12:37pm – in crib for Nap #2, cried 2 min
12:39pm – 1:27pm – 48 min nap
3:37pm – in crib for Nap #3, cried 3 min
3:40pm – 4:16pm – 36 min nap
Thursday, June 21
2:14pm – in crib for Nap #2, no crying
2:16pm – 4:00pm – 1 hour 14 min nap (woke her up to stay on schedule)
Friday, June 22
9:55am – in crib for Nap #1, fussed 7 min
10:01am – 11:25am – 1 hour 24 min nap
2:06pm – in crib for Nap #2, no crying
2:10pm – 2:55pm – 45 min nap
Saturday, June 23
8:55am – 1 hour 45 min awake before in crib for Nap #1, no crying
8:58am – 10:45am – 1 hour 30 min nap
She is getting so big! Look at her sitting up, and I didn’t realize how much hair she now has until I looked back at her pictures from a couple months ago. She’s also belly crawling everywhere. My little baby is growing up!
I never dreamed in a million years that Olive would be this easy to sleep train. We’ve put her in her crib awake many, many times in the past, but maybe she was the perfect age now for nap training and it just clicked. When I nap trained Charlie, I discovered that the key was to find that perfect awake interval where they’re tired but not overtired. This window (which is probably shorter than 10 minutes) is the easiest time period for them to put themselves to sleep. For Olive, that interval is 1 hour 45 minutes before her first nap, and 2 1/2 hours before her second nap, third nap, and bedtime. Her nap lengths are still a little inconsistent, but they will settle down over time and become like clockwork. She’s currently taking 2-3 naps/day depending on the length of her naps.
When we were nap training Charlie, he stayed home for every single nap for over a month to make sure that he had it all down. But that’s just impossible to do with two kids, so Olive still takes an occasional nap in the stroller during the week, and she takes at least 1 nap in her stroller every Saturday and Sunday since we’re usually out and about most of the day. I was concerned that the crazy weekend full of activity we had would throw her off, but she went down for her first nap this morning without any crying.
With Charlie we followed an eat – play – sleep schedule which is what you’re supposed to do so babies are not being nursed/bottle-fed down to sleep. But I’ve found that Olive tends to sleep better if she has a little something in her tummy, so we feed her something (milk or solids) after she’s been awake for a little while, but before she goes down for a nap. As far as her nap routine, it goes like this: get changed into sleep sack, read one book, turn on white noise, turn off lights, walk around the room while rocking or patting and singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, put into crib awake. Now that Olive is used to the routine, she’s started yawning during the singing part because she knows nap time is coming! Another big thing we did was introduce a lovey a couple months ago, as that really helps Olive self soothe not only in her crib, but also in her stroller.
As far as Olive’s night time sleep, it hasn’t improved that much unfortunately. A big part of that is because she is waking up to comfort nurse, and I know that if I wean her, her sleep will get better. I don’t know if or when I’ll night train, but for now I’m just happy that Olive is finally nap trained. It’s going to make my life so much easier because I can actually get things done while Olive naps!
Please note that this was probably atypical of nap training. It usually isn’t this easy — it definitely wasn’t with Charlie. But if you create a nap routine, determine the ideal awake interval between each nap (babies are most tired before their first nap of the day), and let your baby practice going into the crib drowsy but awake, you are on your way. Many sleep training resources tell you to let your baby cry for one hour and then scrap the nap if they don’t fall asleep, but I never did that with Charlie. We capped crying at 20 minutes (he rarely cried that long), and he was still successfully nap trained (and is still an excellent napper to this day).
If you have any questions about sleep training or nap training, please feel free to ask away!
Did you or do you plan on nap training your child? Or if you didn’t nap train, do you wish you did?
Nap Training part 3 of 5
1. Nap Training by Mrs. Bee2. Our Sleep Training Journal by Mrs. Superhero
3. Nap Training an 8 Month Old Baby by Mrs. Bee
4. Nap Training at Six Months by Mrs. Confetti
5. Nap Training for Baby Markers by Mrs. Markers
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
That seems like it worked out really well… and Olive totally sits up! Were you waiting until she could put herself in a sitting position to call it sitting? If so, we way jumped the gun!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@Mrs. Jacks: no i was waiting for her to be able to sit indefinitely if we put her in that position. it was only this weekend that she was able to sit up so well, but she’s still not great at it. she’s 8.5 months old so if i figure 7.5 adjusted, she’s still not super duper behind.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@Mrs. Bee: She’s doing awesome and is soooo cute! I love the hair flower.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
I’m interested on what your thoughts are on asking a nanny to be involved with nap training? My LO will be with a nanny until sometime between 6 and 7 months when we can get into our preferred day care. I would love to have the LO nap trained before he/she starts day care to help with the transition… but I wonder if it’s too much to ask to have the nanny take a really active role in nap training.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@MamaMoose: our nanny is the one who did most of the nap training. well.. she did have experience since i nap trained charlie and she was there every step of the way with that.
actually, i find that babies often sleep better for nannies than their moms, esp if they are nursing.
some daycares also nap train the babies so they’re all on the same schedule. other daycares will keep your baby on their own schedule up to a certain age (1ish?). my friend who doesn’t believe in nap training sent her son to a daycare who nap trained him and had him on a schedule in a week.
do you know if your daycare does that?
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@Mrs. Bee: I don’t actually. Both of my next door neighbors use the same day care so I’ll ask them tonight! Thanks!
hostess / wonderful honeydew / 32460 posts
Ahhh so cute! Yay olive! I never nap trained m, but she’s always been a decent napper. We recently dropped her 2nd nap and she’s been sleeping 2-3 hours a day. It’s been so nice!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@MamaMoose: it’s easier if the daycare does it because they figure out pretty quickly what they’re supposed to do. napping was my biggest worry when we sent charlie to daycare, but he had no problems sleeping from day 1 since everyone else was sleeping!
bananas / 9227 posts
Aww! I love her little dress. She’s way too adorable!!!
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
M is absolutely horrible with napping and sleeping so I fear nap/sleep training with a vengeance! Thanks for posting the suggested schedule, I’ve wondered about this. Does the same time frame apply to nap training as well?
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@regberadaisy: there is so little out there on nap training, i just based what i did after talking to tons of real parents who nap trained. we night and nap trained charlie at the same time, but you can do them separately as babies can separate day and night sleep.
i’m going to assume the time line is the same for naps as nights!
GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts
Yay for Olive!!
I didn’t nap train because I knew DD wouldn’t be receptive to it. Daycare has never been able to nap train her either. She’s just a stubborn one and has always slept great at night so I haven’t pressed the nap issue.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts
She is so adorable, and getting so big!
cherry / 205 posts
Cute Olive and cute dress! you must have been thrilled that it went so smoothly.
What do you do if they just keep crying and not sleeping? We tried nap training Zoey at 5 months and she just cried and cried. when we tried again in an hour, she just cried and cried again. it was horrible The poor thing was terribly sleep deprived for days. Would love some advice.
pomegranate / 3053 posts
How cute is Olive! I’m done with having kids but every time I see a cute little girl my ovaries ache for a girl!
I napped and sleep trained at the same time with Nicholas around 5.5 months. I hope to do the same with Skyler when he’s around the same age. I can’t believe it’s coming up so fast. He’s almost 3 months! I hope I’m just as successful and have two good sleepers… I probably just jinxed myself by saying that. LOL!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@miranlee: how long was she staying up between naps? at that age i found out that the ideal interval for charlie was 1 1/2 hours. he didn’t seem tired at all, but when i put him down by 1 1/2 hours, he fell asleep very quickly.
pomegranate / 3388 posts
So, did Olive ever nap for more than 1 sleep cycle before nap training? My 3-month old never naps for more than 30-40 minutes, and nothing I’ve done can extend her naps. I anticipate nap training at some point, but I can’t imagine that she’s going to easily extend her naps beyond 30 minutes on her own…
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@skibobrown: she did sleep more than 30-40 minutes, but rarely. most of her naps in her crib were 30-40 min, but she would nap longer in her stroller as long as we were moving when she was coming out of one sleep cycle.
also she would nap longer in a pack n play at a friend’s house when she would nap with another baby. but at home, pretty much all her naps were 30-40 min… sometimes even shorter!
cherry / 115 posts
This is huge! Congrats! Sleep training my second was way smoother then my first, actually most things have been ‘smoother’
honeydew / 7968 posts
I know I’m going to need this… For now, I’m being really bad. I sleep with one of them and my mil holds the other. They r good night sleepers but horrible nappers… But they nap so well with us… So until they r old enough to nap train, I’m getting rest with them…
Btw, I would love it if people could submit their nap training and at what age… Would be nice to have it at various ages…
pea / 18 posts
Yay Olive! This is such a huge milestone~~! She’s such a cutie AND an awesome napper now!
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
I’m about to embark on a little nap training this week, I think….T is a little over 4 months and has had good naps until a few weeks ago….BUT only in his swing. I need to break that habit as he basically only takes 1 good nap (morning) and then naps terribly the rest of the day unless we are in the car or stroller.
guest
Hi there same here my LO (3 mos) loves motion for naps… Any tips? Or it’s all about nap training
guest
Hi –
Love your site! I’m currently nap training my 5.5 month old and she is a stubborn one!! I’ve had to scrap many naps after 30 minutes and try again the next time she’s giving sleep cues instead of waiting a full 2 hours. She generally seems to fall asleep on attempt #2. The thing I’m struggling with is trying to get her to keep a schedule while her naps are all screwed up. Did you focus more on the time awake & cues vs. the time of day for each nap? I feel like the time of day will get more regular as her naps improve, but wasn’t sure what I should try for. There is so little info on how to nap train when they’re fighters!
guest
That is amazing. My son is 5.5 months old. We did te sleep training at 3 months, which he took to really well at night. Tw naps went horribly, so here we are trying it again. He’s getting himsel to sleep pretty easily the last couple days (little to no tears). But for most naps, he’s waking after a half hour. I do a very aimilar routine as you do. I take him up to his room after 1 hour 15 minutes awake time. Any suggestions?
guest
Hi, I’m trying to sleep train my 8 month old son. Daniel is great at sleeping though the night now but the sleep training took a month of tears and screaming, well worth it in the end. Now I need to sort out naps. Currently he is rocked to sleep by myself or husband and he sleeps on our chest. He will sleep like that from 1-2hrs.
I need some help with the routine, I try to do the same thing every time, read a book, sing a song and put him down – let the crying begin. He will cry for about an hour and then will sleep for 20m!! Daniel is never sleepy, he is either awake or overtired even when I see he is tired (yawn, eye rubbing) and I take him striaght up to his room he just thinks its time to play, he laughs all though the book and the song even I make an effort to Speak in hushed tones!
While we are are training should I be putting him to sleep an hour after every 20m nap?
Nighttime was a lot easier as it was night time, no need for food and I knew he needed to sleep though – naps are SO much harder.
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Just wondering if you ever had issues with your kids staying asleep. I have no issue getting my LO to go to sleep – that’s the easy part – it’s the staying asleep that’s the issue. Now at 8.5 months she has gone to 30 minute naps (down from 45 minute naps) with the occasional 2-3 hour nap. I don’t know if it’s from the teething or what but I can’t get her to stay asleep and it’s exhausting. Any suggestions? It’s been a week or so of this and it’s driving me crazy. I’m thinking it’s just that our schedule is inconsistent and I need to fix that. I just haven’t been able to convince myself to get her up in the morning (and some mornings she wakes at 545 and some mornings 730 so we are ALL over the place and I’m thinking that might be what’s messing her up that naps never happen at the same time) I was doing the awake for about 2 hours thing and that worked pretty well (getting the 45 minute naps) but now it’s no good – even with extended awake time.
guest
Hello Mrs. Bee, just wanted to thank you for sharing your nap training experience. It has been really inspiring when it came to nap training my baby(he was 8 month old when I stumbled on your post).
“The key was to find that perfect awake interval where they’re tired but not overtired. This window (which is probably shorter than 10 minutes) is the easiest time period for them to put themselves to sleep”. This really nailed it. Together with your listing of Olive’s napping schedule it just all cleared up for me, like the missing piece to my nap training puzzle! Though it took a few days observation and logging to come up with the perfect awake intervals for the two naps(and the nighttime sleep as we’ll), it worked! Now after only three days my son’s REAL napping schedule has started to take shape! Thank you so much for your inspiration!
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I know this is an old post but I was so happy to find it! And the one about Charlie nap training as well! We are going through hell trying to nap train our 5 1/2 month old. It is sooo much more painful than sleep training! You give me hope that I might achieve something. Some days though when she reeeeally fights the naps, I end up taking her to a pram walk to get her to sleep at least a little so it doesn’t mess up the night routine which is well stablished “ish”. Do you think it is the wrong thing to do???