In Part I, I mentioned that we mostly slept with Noelle on our chests, and was in basic survival mode by just doing whatever we could to get some sleep. I was breastfeeding, so my husband couldn’t help with feedings in the middle of the night (plus he went back to work after 2 weeks), so I was the one getting up most of the time. Noelle would wake up every other hour the first couple months, and I was feeding on demand to help establish my milk supply. Then it would take me 30 more minutes to rock her back to sleep. By the time I tried to go back to sleep, it was time to do it all over again. I was losing it, and it was obvious that she was not a naturally good sleeper.
When we first considered sleep training, it didn’t sit too well with me. I could hardly bear to hear her cry for more than a few minutes at a time, how was I going to muster up the courage to let her cry herself to sleep? Wasn’t my role as a mother to make sure she didn’t cry and to meet her every need? I was conflicted, but we did it anyway because ultimately, we felt that sleep training would be in the best interests of us all instead of having an overtired baby along with sleep-deprived, stressed out parents.
We decided to sleep train Noelle earlier than most, at the 6-week mark. It happened to fall on President’s Day weekend so we thought it would give us the perfect 3-days to let her cry-it-out. We started with Ferber’s CIO method with checks every 5-minutes, then every 10-minutes, and so on. We soon found that checking up on her just made it worse because she would cry even more furiously knowing we’d likely come back in for her.
Thus, we chose to follow Weissbluth’s Extinction Method, meaning no checks at all once she was down for the night. However, we used that with discretion. If her crying sounded abnormal, we would hurry and go in to make sure there wasn’t anything wrong. We found that when we did this, she would immediately stop crying the moment she was picked up, which indicated to us that everything was perfectly fine with her. We would put her right back down and not check again. Hearing her cry while we sat in the living room staring at her through the baby monitor was one of the hardest things I ever had to sit through. I cried inconsolably while she cried, but thankfully, I had my husband to lean on.
The first night was the most brutal – she cried about 45-minutes nonstop before falling asleep. Through the monitor, we saw her learn to self-soothe by sucking on her fist through her Woombie. My stomach was twisted into a thousand different knots, and I wondered if I was going to damage her for life. However, my mind kept reassuring me that human beings are more resilient than that. The second night, she cried a little less. The third night, she only cried for about 15-minutes before drifting to sleep. I couldn’t believe it!
(she napped best on her side or tummy)
What worked for us:
- Tackling nighttime sleep first. I read that it’s easier to teach them to sleep at night than it is to nap train. Turns out we never ended up having to nap train because after we successfully night-trained, she fell into a good rhythm for naps by herself.
- For naps, we let her sleep on her belly the moment she exhibited stronger head control. We believe this is a big reason why we never needed to nap train and she was always able to nap in 1.5-2 hour increments. We would watch for her sleepy cues, and get her ready for a nap the moment she let out her first yawn.
- Consistency is key. Having the same routine every night was so important in setting up her expectations. She caught on pretty quickly that once we put her down for the night, we were not coming back in.
- Putting her down sleepy but awake. We intentionally did not want to create sleep props like rocking or feeding her to sleep. We really wanted to teach her how to fall asleep on her own, so this required her being somewhat awake when her head hit the crib.
- Swaddling - We used the Woombie and loved it because it allowed her limbs to still move freely within the confines of a swaddle. This was especially important in allowing her to self-soothe. She was able to suck on her fist through her Woombie, whereas she wouldn’t have been able to do that with a traditional swaddle. She was not a pacifier baby so her being able to suck her fist was very important in aiding her back to sleep.
- Cluster-feeding – this helped keep her tummy fuller and allowed her to sleep longer stretches at a time.
- Holding her upright for 20-minutes after nursing. We soon caught on if we didn’t make sure she got one really good burp out before putting her down, she would not be able to sleep.
Where we’re at now:
The benefit of writing this post months down the line is I can tell you if the sleep training worked for us. We saw the benefits of sleep training almost immediately, and have no regrets about it.
- Months 1-3 she slept from 8-midnight before waking up for her first feeding. Then she would wake up once or twice in the middle of the night, but fall right back asleep right after feeding so I didn’t need to sit there and rock her to sleep like I had been doing before.
- Months 4-6 she started sleeping 7-4 am, which is considered “sleeping through the night” for that age range.
- Months 6-8 she started to sleep from 7 pm-7 am. Since I was still breastfeeding I would wake up in the middle of the night to pump and keep my supply up.
She did go through various phases where all of a sudden her good sleep would somehow disappear. This was usually because of teething, or a developmental leap like the 4-month or 9-month sleep regression where they’re learning so many new things at once. Regardless of what phase she was in, the one thing we always stuck to was giving her a consistently early bedtime (7 pm). She’s well-rested, we’re well-rested… everyone wakes up happy.
Now at 21-months, Noelle is an amazing sleeper. She falls asleep the moment we put her in her crib, and on days when she doesn’t sleep right away, she’ll lay there and flip through a book or play with her lovey before slowly drifting to sleep. She doesn’t need us to be there for her to get a good night’s rest. She immediately knows when it’s nap time or bedtime. Also, when she wakes up she will play in her crib and entertain herself until someone comes to get her. It is a place of comfort and safety for her.
(this was from a family trip just this past weekend to San Diego. We actually tried to get her to sleep with us in the big bed, but she didn’t want to. One of the first places she begged for was the hotel crib, and shortly after she fell asleep).
She’s a healthy and well-adjusted baby girl. She is a mama’s girl through and through, with a wonderfully gentle spirit.
Would I do this again for our next baby? Absolutely, if needed. But every baby is so different, I’d have to wait and see what he/she’s like. There really is no right way. I’m lucky Noelle took to sleep training so well, but this may not be the case for the next one. I guess we’ll cross that bridge when it comes.
This was a hard post for me to write, and I almost didn’t want to post it at all (just ask Mrs. Bee!). I know not everyone is going to agree with sleep training so early on, but it worked for us and hopefully it provided some useful insight. If you have questions about anything we did, I’ll try to answer them as best I can!
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ed note: The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that babies be placed to sleep on their backs until one year of age. The information on this site is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment, and is for education purposes only. Always seek the advice of a qualified healthcare provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
Hellobee Series: Sleep Training part 5 of 10
1. Sleep Training Books by Guides2. When to Sleep Train by Mrs. Bee
3. Does When You Sleep Train Help Determine Success? by Mrs. Bee
4. Sleep Training Noelle: Part I by Mrs. High Heels
5. Sleep Training Noelle: Part II by Mrs. High Heels
6. Rubies’ Sleep Training Story by sleep
7. Sleep Training Part 1 – How We Night Trained by Mrs. Bee
8. Sleep Training by Mrs. Jump Rope
9. The Whens, Whys and Hows of Our Sleep Training Process by Mrs. Pen
10. Sleep at 8 months by Mrs. Hopscotch
clementine / 885 posts
Really every parent/family has to make their own decisions. Recently I read an article against attachment parenting, citing that parents who followed some or all of those principals were more stressed out when their child was getting older and the habits were incredibly hard to break.
Thankfully DS seemed to sleep well at night time. At this point I barely remember how old he was when he started sleeping through the night. I remember being frustrated at times with early morning wake ups (I’m good until 3am, but 3am to 8am are my witching hours!)
But recently we had trouble with him waking very early for the day, around 4 or 5am. (he was around a year old). We did a modified sleep training to help him sleep until at least 6.
It is so hard to know what is right, and the judgement can be so brutal. It really doesn’t seem to matter what choices you make either, there is judgement for it all.
GOLD / honeydew / 8436 posts
Sleep training is always heart breaking to hear your lil one cry like that, but that’s great news Noelle took to nap training quickly to save you extended heart break.
GOLD / persimmon / 1061 posts
Thank you for making me feel better about sleep training! Every time I hear a success story like yours it makes me feel less guilty. I, too, started on the earlier side (3 months) and wish I hadn’t left it so long. Our LO is doing great with it and she’s such a well rested, smiley girl that it’s all worth it.
GOLD / persimmon / 1061 posts
Also, I hate that you were so worried about posting this, but I get where you’re coming from. A lot of times people who don’t know that I sleep train will talk about it in front of me in an “I can’t believe anyone would let their baby CIO” kind of way and it’s hurtful. I also understand that those on the other side also get judgment, but I guess in my social circle I’m one of the few who believes that sleep training can be beneficial to some children, so it can be rough.
apple seed / 4 posts
We are considering sleep & nap training to help our lo fall asleep. Once she’s down for the night she’s ok but getting her to fall asleep with out nursing or the swing is a challenge. And I can’t hardly get her to sleep longer then 45 min at each nap.
Thank you for sharing your story. Now I don’t feel so worried about trying sleep training at 10 weeks.
And Noelle is precious in her pink jammies!
blogger / nectarine / 2979 posts
We tried a couple times to let LO cry, but he seemed to be one of those kids who would just cry louder, and louder, and LOUDER until we finally broke down. So we ended up waiting it out. It wasn’t horrible since he only woke up once for the longest time, and I was used to that and could deal with it OK. But yeah, it would have been nice if he’d STTN earlier than a year :)
I hear you on the co-sleeping at a hotel thing. It just does not work well at all if you have a baby who is used to their crib!
GOLD / pear / 1757 posts
Thank you for writing! Right now, I’m 6 weeks away from LO arriving and I have about three sleep books and they all say different things! Hearing your experience helps tremendously!
hostess / honeydew / 8943 posts
Thanks for sharing your sleep training experience!
pea / 12 posts
thanks for sharing! my dd has not had trouble sleeping through the night or putting herself to sleep at night, but is not a good napper at all! but she’s generally happy and healthy, so i’m not too worried about nap training yet. we’ll see as she gets older. she is currently 16 weeks. it was great to read through your process.
GOLD / cherry / 143 posts
this is great – thanks for sharing. all my friends who sleep trained their kids when they were infants all rave about how well their children sleep now and how easy it is to go on vacation with them. plus they don’t have to deal with bedtime battles every night with their toddlers. i’m all for doing whatever makes mama happy and well-rested!
GOLD / cherry / 163 posts
Thanks for sharing! What happened when she woke up in the middle of the night for a feeding during the training period? Did you have to let her CIO then too?
GOLD / clementine / 876 posts
we sleep trained around the same time as you guys (youngish) and have ZERO regrets! everyone is happier and better rested for it! :) i appreciate that you wrote this post now that she is older — it’s good to know you had a good experience too, and that it was a good long term solution for you! our LO is 4 months.
cherry / 105 posts
Wow. 6 weeks is young- and I SOOOO Wanted to do it at that time, but kept getting told no. We waited until 4months- and now our little lady is a great sleeper. I really do think everyone needs to sleep train!
kiwi / 648 posts
I appreciate your perspective and your willingness to share in spite of your misgivings. I am glad you found something that worked for you and your family. We have chosen not to sleep train and that decision has been working for us–but no judgement! I respect your thoughtful process in figuring out what made sense for you and Noelle. She is such a cutie pie!
GOLD / persimmon / 1491 posts
We did it at 2.5 months and it was miraculous. I still need to sort out her naps, but night sleep is from 7.30 to 7.30 with 2 wake ups for feeding. The biggest thing that sleep training changed is that she falls asleep much quicker at night and after feeding in the middle of the night she goes right back to sleep.
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@mrstilly – you put it so perfectly, “It is so hard to know what is right, and the judgement can be so brutal. It really doesn’t seem to matter what choices you make either, there is judgement for it all.” – sigh.
@meredithnyc – that’s great to hear your sleep training is paying off! it must be really hard for you to stand your ground when most of your social circle is on the other side of the fence. i wanted to approach this post carefully bc i know this is such a strong, controversial topic (and i really hate controversy), but thankfully the hellobee community is pretty understanding and comments like yours make me feel like it is a safe place to share!
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@purkle – no, we only let her CIO at the first put-down (7-8pm) during the “training period”. we would always go to her for all her night feedings. during the training, once she fell asleep she was usually able to sleep in stretches of at least 3-4 hours… so the next time she woke up was midnight, so i would go in and feed her, then put her down again. i always held her for at least 20-min after a feeding to help her digest/burp bc she had reflux issues.
after she was sleep trained… for those middle of the night stirs, if we heard her… we would wait 5-10 minutes (the length of time to wait is dependent on their age as listed in the sleep/WT chart i posted about in part I) before going to get her. if she was still crying after 5-10 min, we would go in and check on her. but a lot of times, parents go in too soon in the middle of the night when they hear the first sound of a cry, when really they might be dreaming or only half awake so can usually put themselves back to sleep.
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@mamacate – i appreciate your comment and thank you for emphasizing the “no judgment”! :)
@plantains – 7:30-7:30 is truly a dream at that age…. good for you!!
apricot / 367 posts
Thanks for sharing your experience! I saw that you had put that from months 6-8 you were getting up to pump in the middle of the night to maintain your supply. I also have to do this, my son is 6 months old. Did you have to continue waking to pump the entire time you breastfed? I am trying to figure out if there is a way I can stop waking up but still maintain my supply.
GOLD / pomegranate / 3210 posts
Aww I am loving all the pics of her! Great post!
blogger / kiwi / 668 posts
Glad you did post :). I am all for sleep training.
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Did she suck on her thumb during her first year? If so, did you have to wean her off?
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@kelly – she didn’t suck her thumb, but she sucked her two middle fingers (middle and ring finger). she still does it to this day when she’s sleepy or doesn’t get what she wants. i haven’t tried weaning yet.
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@creativemomma15 – no I stopped doing it around 8-months. i was trying to pump extra because I was trying to go back to work and I also had to be away for a weekend when LO was 9-months, so I wanted to make sure I had enough stored away. If your LO isn’t needing that middle of the night feeding anymore, it’s fine to drop it – your supply will still be enough to provide him what he needs since it’s all supply/demand. Your milk production from your other feedings should still remain the same – that’s what I noticed even when I dropped that pumping session. Kellymom.com is a great resource for breastfeeding questions!
GOLD / pomegranate / 3677 posts
When I read your posts I fall even more in love with the name Noelle! I reeeeeally want it as our girl middle name but DH does not feel the love. :( But I love your daughter’s name!
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@torojojo – Thank you! It was one of those names that I fell in love with IMMEDIATELY and I just KNEW that it would be her name. Luckily, hubby loved it too. Maybe the name will grow on your DH with time. :) We thought about using it as a middle name too, and I really think it flows well with ANY first name. We played around with it a lot!
With my 2nd, we’re having trouble with a name because nothing is giving us that “love at first sight” feeling we got with the name Noelle. We think a lot about possible nicknames too when choosing names, and Noelle is so versatile – Noellie, Ellie, Elle, Ella…
Keep me posted on what you end up naming your LO! When are you due?
GOLD / persimmon / 1023 posts
hi mrs. high heels! i know this post is from last fall, but i can’t tell you the number of times i have read your sleep training posts since my LO’s sleep habits started becoming an issue at the 4-week mark. he’s now 9 weeks old, and getting him to fall asleep for naps and bedtime is really starting to wear on me. we’re still discussing whether to fully commit to CIO (every time i resolve to do it i find some reason to doubt the decision) and we’re in a 5-minute ferber check pattern right now, but i appreciate all the great information in your posts–thank you!
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@edelweiss: Thanks for taking the time to leave that comment! i was actually pretty nervous writing these posts because it’s such a controversial topic, and we did it pretty early on… but I’m glad you found them helpful. Hope you get some good sleep soon!! Hang in there, mama!
GOLD / persimmon / 1023 posts
@Mrs. High Heels: sorry to bother you again! after a few more stressful days (which feel like forever since it’s like groundhog day around here), i am inching slowly but surely towards extinction CIO. he almost always has a hard time going to sleep (maybe once a day he can do it without my intervention), and he wakes up at the end of almost every sleep cycle and can’t go back to sleep (brutal).
i was wondering, did you consider using a pacifier before deciding on CIO? we do the pacifier hokey pokey and are stuck in this pattern of replacing it every 5 minutes for however long. some people have told me to continue with the pacifier so as to discourage hand sucking, but i’m not sure i can replace the pacifier for 3-4 more months before he learns how to put it in himself.
also, i had a question about noelle’s 2-3 month schedule that you posted in part I. for her last awake period from 4-7pm, did she naturally stay awake for 3 hours or did you have to get her used to it over time?
thank you again in advance–i know things are pretty busy for you with your new (and adorable) family member, so no rush!
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@edelweiss: not a bother at all!
when you say “he wakes up at the end of almost every sleep cycle” (so after 45 min i’m assuming), how long do you wait until you go in?
i did try pacifiers with noelle, but she hated them! she would scream and spit it out and refuse to suck on it. my 2nd one isn’t a pacifier baby either. she preferred her hand, and i didn’t discourage it – she stopped sucking on her hand all on her own and replaced it by sucking her two middle fingers (she’s 2+ now and she still sucks on them, but not often)… so i wouldn’t worry too much about it and would consider letting him self-soothe in whatever way he can.
for noelle’s 2-month schedule, we had to get her used to it… some days if she was crabby we would give her a 30-min catnap in-between 4-7 pm and put her down at 7:30 or something. we tried to be somewhat flexible with it and didn’t always follow the times exactly.
we found that extinction worked best for us bc if we did checks she quickly learned that we would eventually go to her and her cries got even more escalated. with extinction, we would let her cry…. wait a few min, go in… and often times she would immediately stop the moment we picked her up so we knew NOTHING was wrong. so we would put her right back down again and let her CIO. we definitely always did at least one check just to rule out other possibilities (like maybe she pooped or had gas or something).
sleep training isn’t easy… but it’s one decision i definitely don’t regret. hope things get better for you soon!!
GOLD / persimmon / 1023 posts
@Mrs. High Heels: thank you so much for your response, i really appreciate it!
yes, he wakes up after a sleep cycle for almost every nap, and at night he tends to wake up an hour or two into the night, and i know he’s not hungry/dirty/etc. when he started to do this, i would go in right away and pick him up (for naps) or feed him (nighttime) because i thought that’s what he needed. but after reading more (and seeing your posts), i realize i should be giving him more time to settle down or CIO so that he learns how to go back to sleep. he tends to be pretty agitated when he wakes up from a sleep cycle, which was so confusing for me because i thought something must be wrong–now i’m thinking that he’s just really annoyed that he’s awake!
i’m going to start letting him cry it out at both night (non-feeding times, i’ll still do reasonable night feedings) and nap wakings. it’s going to be tough and i’m actually dreading nap training more so because it happens multiple times a day, but i hope in the end it will make for a happier baby, mama, and family.
blogger / pomegranate / 3106 posts
@edelweiss: Did you ever get a chance to look at the Sleep/Wt chart I posted in “part I”? In it, it has recommended times of how long you should wait based on age before checking on LO. That really helped me a lot. I would say 90% of the time, if I waited 10-15 minutes, she would fall back asleep on her own without any help from me.
Keep me posted on how the training goes for you – good luck – you got this, mama!