This is an anonymous guest post series about the process of applying for elementary schools in New York City.
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It’s no secret that the NYC Kindergarten admission process is extremely complicated and competitive. There are dedicated newspaper and magazine articles, blogs, and even documentaries! (If you want to find out more about what the process is like, I recommend watching “Getting in….Kindergarten” by Pamela French. It’s currently available in several parts on YouTube.) The Kindergarten admissions process in Manhattan is so fierce that parents stress over getting their kids into Nursery school/Pre-K programs that are considered to be “feeder” schools into the best Kindergartens. There is even a Pre-K program that requires three-year-old children to be observed in a group play session as part of the admissions criteria!
Part of the problem with NYC Kindergarten process is that there are so many choices of great schools, but not enough seats in these top rated programs. To make this process more equitable, many programs require standardized tests as part of their admissions criteria. Yes, standardized tests at the age of 4! If you’ve read the book Nurture Shock (which specifically mentions the NYC admissions process), testing intelligence at the age of 4 is premature. And yet, there are so many tutors, test-prep centers, and workbooks targeted towards this market, because parents want to ensure that their child has the best chance of getting into a top rated program.
I have a four year old boy, and this process for me, started about a year ago. I had heard about the competitive process, the testing, the parent essays, the zoning issues, and the extremely high costs of private schools. The only thing I knew was that my zoned general education elementary school was not-so-great, so I needed other options.
When I describe the general Kindergarten admissions process to other people (especially to those who do not live in NYC), they look at me like I’m crazy. Usually the first and most common question I hear is “Why can’t you send him to your neighborhood school?” I honestly wish that my “zoned school” was an option for us. Before I even decided to enter into this process, I researched my zoned school and found that it did not have a great reputation. Logically, I know that going to a mediocre general ed program at my zoned school will not harm my child in the long run or damage his future job prospects. But since I do have a choice, why not take advantage of the options that are available to me?
So I bought a few books:
- Manhattan Family Guide to Private Schools and Selective Public Schools, 6th Edition by Victoria Goldman
- New York City’s Best Public Elementary Schools: A Parents’ Guide by Clara Hemphill
And I found a few websites:
- insideschools.org for public schools
- isaagny.org for private schools
Through this research, I was finally able to understand the process for both public and private schools. Here’s the quick and dirty breakdown of your options.
Public Schools run by NYC Department of Education
- Zoned or Neighborhood Schools
- Gifted and Talented (G&T) Programs (both District-Wide and City-Wide)
- Unzoned or Specialized Schools
Public Schools not run by NYC Department of Education
- Hunter College Elementary School
- Charter Schools
Private Schools
- Non-religious Private Schools
- Parochial or Religious-affiliated Schools
Of all of the options, how do you decide what is right for you and your family and your child?
There are several factors to consider here. Do you want to have your child commute to kindergarten? Do you have siblings that you need to take into consideration? Do you really want to have your four year old subjected to several different aptitude tests and play dates interviews? Can you afford private school tuition or at least qualify for financial aid? Do you want a progressive atmosphere or a more traditional one? Do you have any religious preferences if considering a religious school?
Once you have an idea of what you want (or at least what you don’t want), you can start narrowing down your choices. For example, I am not religious and do not want my child to attend a religious school. Therefore, I could cross that option off of my list. I also am not a huge fan of charter schools because there is such a huge range of success and failure among the new schools. Some are excellent and have proven results. Others have not been around long enough to prove their method and are often shut down after their contract period is over.
Other than religious private schools and charter schools, our experience will run across the remaining options available to us. It is important to keep the different options separate because each option has a slightly different admissions criteria, process, and timelines. I am particularly Excel crazy, so I have a spreadsheet of my options, pros/cons, location, test scores, and admissions criteria for each school that I liked for my child. Then I printed out the school reviews, application requirements, any information on after-school care, food and transportation directly from the school web sites. I then made a binder (of course) and constantly add to it as I gather more information.
Hmmm…now that I think about it, I may have gone a little overboard. Or I may be a typical NYC parent. Who knows? I am curious to know -how did you decide where to send your little one to school? And how different are the school processes in other cities?
Getting into a New York Elementary School part 1 of 3
1. Getting Into a New York Elementary School by Education2. Testing for NYC Elementary Schools: Gifted & Talented and Private by Education
3. Getting into Your Zoned Elementary School in NYC and the G&T Testing Process by Education
blogger / olive / 65 posts
WOW! This sounds so stressful!!! I live in the suburbs west of Boston. Back in 2005 when we moved here, we chose this town because of it’s great test scores (great schools). We pay high property taxes to live here, but that money goes to the schools. So, that’s the extent of our involvement with our daughter’s preschool choice. Our town has an integrated public preschool that you can enter via a lottery system and pay a fee depending on how many days your child goes. My daughter was accepted right away because qualified through her special needs (autism spectrum disorder) and needed to be on an IEP (Individual Education Plan). Our town has a wonderful special education program so we’re in the right place. If we weren’t, I suppose we would sell our house in order to move to a town with a great program. I’d even be open to renting an apartment, duplex, or townhouse to ensure a great education for my kids. I can’t imagine living in Manhattan and navigating all of that. I would go insane with stress.
GOLD / pear / 1614 posts
I don’t even have a LO yet and I’ve thought about this… We’re moving in April and selected a neighborhood that has a catholic church with school (starting at age 3) and two good public school options. People think we’re crazy to let that be a factor in moving. But I want to join a church before even having a LO so that doesn’t look like it’s the motivating factor.
Friends of ours moved to Westchester once LO #3 was on the way. They didn’t want to have to deal with 3 kids possibly being in different schools.
GOLD / pomegranate / 3428 posts
I live in NYC, but in Brooklyn. I am a product of NYC public schools (G&T program) and my husband is a NYC teacher, so our LO will be attending her zoned school. We moved to a better neighborhood a few months ago and one of the requirements of our new area was good public schools. There are 2 good elementary schools in our area (one is ranked at a 7 and the other at a 9) and we plan to stay in this area.
Plus our LO has a built-in tutor with my husband, so we’re not worried.
GOLD / pomegranate / 3912 posts
@LindsayInNYC: I think people are crazy to buy a house without considering the schools, if they know they want to have kids!
GOLD / pear / 1608 posts
We live in NYC and even though the school in our nabe is good (there is only one!) there are not even close to enough spaces for the number of kids, so I feel like it is going to be a nightmare.
blogger / nectarine / 2044 posts
This is so interesting to me because it’s so different then where I live! Good luck!
GOLD / cantaloupe / 5260 posts
I am super interested in this topic, because DH feels strongly about putting our kids in private school. I am not so thrilled with that, in part because I dread the application process (we’re also in NYC). We discussed the other day whether we should start looking at private preschools that might help LO get into private elementary schools (aka feeder schools)–LO is only 11 weeks old, lol. I’m excited to read more posts in this series!
GOLD / pear / 1614 posts
@Hilsy85 @Plantains – Where in NYC do you guys live?
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School’s not everything!!! The kids that do well and go onto have successful lives didn’t all go to a “top ranked” preschools (if a top-ranking can even MEAN anything when we’re talking about non-potty trained kiddos?!). I think the entire hooplah surrounding the NYC kindgarten process is ridiculous.
We live in an area with good public schools – but I’m not relying on the public schools to give my kids an education. That’s my job.
cherry / 150 posts
I’m so excited to see this series because I’m in the middle of freaking out about where my LO will go to school and she’s just 4 months old.
blogger / cantaloupe / 6410 posts
I am thrilled to read this series and live your experience with you.
We have been thinking about school for our girls since early on. (Our state has lowest per pupil funding in the nation). Mr. Jacks is strongly committed to public school, as his mom is a public school teacher, while I feel like the only reason I got to where I am in the world is because of my top notch (private) schooling.
We’ve been strategic about our daughters’ schooling by getting into a Spanish immersion program at age 2 (which also gets our second daughter into the same program). But we have no idea what is going to happen after KG (the typical end of a Montessori cycle).
I’ll definitely pursue the links you share!
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My child is on the way next month but I live in NYC (Crown Heights/Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn) and I understand that the way things work here can be confusing. I am committed to public schooling but am interested to learn more about the options, pros, and cons.
blogger / apricot / 463 posts
Very interesting post. We’re going through a similar search… but we live in a development in a farming community, and the driving factors for us are finding a school that’s not “mainstream” in the education process… and offers exposure to extra-curricular activities. Two things our public school does not have. Good luck!
hostess / papaya / 10167 posts
Wow, that sounds so stressful! Choosing were to send your LO to school is really different here. There is a great public elementary school in my neighborhood. That’s where my future children will go if I decide to not homeschool.
GOLD / grapefruit / 4919 posts
I’ve long heard about the nightmares of getting your kid in a school in NYC! I don’t envy any of your NYC parents for that at all! Good public school reputations were very important to us in factoring where to buy, so I’m glad we don’t have the same zoning issues as you. But even so, I know you have to be on top of your game with enrollment times or you can easily get sent to a school out of your zone once seats are all taken! Good luck!
hostess / honeydew / 7563 posts
Man that is way more than I could imagine having to deal with. We’re so lucky, LO will be going to the same elementary school that I went to and it’s an amazing school.
hostess / pineapple / 12583 posts
Very interested in this series even though we have moved out of NYC. One of the reasons why we moved was to not deal with this competitive process.
GOLD / cherry / 146 posts
I’m definitely interested in this series! My husband and I both grew up in NYC (He grew up in Brooklyn, and I grew up in Manhattan) and attended parochial or private schools for Kindergarten-12th grade. We were really fortunate that our parents could afford to pay for that kind of education for us. Now that we’re starting our own family in Brooklyn, I’m totally freaked about the cost of education here. We’ll probably end up doing public school for K-4th grade, parochial for 5th-8th grade, and whatever high school will offer us the best scholarship/financial aid package and be the best fit for our child. At least we’re having a boy so he has a chance of going to Regis for (free!) high school like my husband did. ;)