I am a very social and open person, and I love meeting new people. I have a wonderful core group of friends from my elementary years (my oldest friend is from nursery school), as well as a group from my college days. I am still very close to all of them though we have all scattered across the country, because the Internet with all its social networks has helped us stay connected to one another. But I’ve always wanted to find some local friends that I could have regular get togethers with, and I looked to parenthood as the next step in meeting new friends in my life.
When Drake was born, I tried out a few meet up groups as well as Gymboree classes hoping to make some new friends for both Drake and me. While I did make some friends, it was always difficult because of my job. Since I worked as a nanny in a split schedule, I would often go to Gymboree class and see the same moms with their kids. But when class was over and they all wanted to go out to eat or hang out at the mall, I could never join because I would have to head back to work, so the friendships never really lasted because I was never available.
When I became a SAHM this year though, Drake started pre-school and I thought this would finally be the time for me to be able to really commit to friendships. I was looking forward to having playdates and hanging out, and of course breaking up being home all day with two children by myself. I also decided to look around at classes I could possibly attend, meet ups in the area to find moms with children Juliet’s age or moms of more than one like myself. I found a class on a day when Drake didn’t have school for moms with 2 kids, one over 2 and one under 2, and signed us up.
After a few playdates and classes, I realized that my child, my sweet boy, was the mean one. The child who would snatch, push, and all out fight the other children as if he was in a Hunger Games style arena. It was terrible. It was upsetting. It was embarassing.
After a few playdates where I had to hover over Drake constantly, out of fear of him hurting the other children, I started to decline invitations. I felt like it was too stressful for me to chat happily with other moms while also trying to keep Drake out of a constant fray with their children. When we go out to parks or are in the waiting rooms of doctor’s offices, I always sigh a relief when we are the only ones there and go into an almost heightened state of awareness when another child and parent enters the area.
I have heard many times from other people, other moms, my MIL, Drake’s teachers that this is just typical three year old behavior and that there isn’t something awfully wrong with him, but as his mother it’s very hard to see and deal with. At home Drake isn’t an angel by any means, but we have worked on sharing, not hitting, and overall listening qualities. Whenever Drake acts out in one of those ways, Mr. Chocolate and I work hard to correct his behavior. We count, use time outs, and I do admit to yelling sometimes too (though I am trying to work on that one). I try to reason with Drake and get him to express why he is doing what he is doing.
I have talked with his teachers at school many times, as my biggest fears have always been that he act this way in school against his classmates and teachers and get expelled. But his teachers have always maintained that he is a normal 3 year old boy, no worse than any other they have seen. I have also been told that he probably acts worse with me than anyone else and when we are out, especially when Juliet is also there demanding attention since he knows that I am more prone to not discipline him immediately. Those words are certainly comforting and I know in time Drake will emotionally mature as well, but right now in the thick of it it’s very difficult to deal with.
Drake’s teacher told me that the best thing for Drake to learn how to share and play nicely with other children is exposure to other children (something he gets none of at home and within our family of all adults besides Juliet). But I feel like it’s a double edged sword I’m working with. On one hand Drake needs to be around other children, but when he is around other children, there’s a constant need of keeping on top of him, separating him, talking to him, trying to make him realize it’s not nice to snatch or push, as well reminding him to use polite words like please and sorry. It’s not only exhausting (and at times embarrassing), I also worry a little about how other parents will feel about us. Many times I am just meeting these parents and their children, and I worry too much rough play on Drake’s part will upset them or make them think Drake is a bad child, when truly he is the sweetest boy at home.
We are working as hard as we can at home to try to refine Drake’s behavior (school also helps a lot I’m sure), but I think it’s a different experience when we model sharing and turn taking at home, than when we are out with strangers and new experiences and toys to play with. I hope that this truly is a maturity issue and that as he grows, as well as through our reinforcement of what to do when encountering others in public, Drake will become that loving little boy he is at home to me and Mr. Chocolate and the rest of our family. I hope as Juliet grows, she can help him practice sharing and playing gently with his hands. I hope that when we do go out to make new friends, that they will be understanding of Drake’s ways and help him on his way to learning how to play nicely. I hope soon my child won’t be known as the mean one.
My sweet little boy
grapefruit / 4923 posts
aw drake, we know you’re a sweet little guy! it’s hard for kids not being able to communicate and be as independent as they would like, among other things. it’s interesting that the teacher suggested that he may act out more around you–it reminded me of my friend who just had a baby, and her older son has been throwing tantrums a lot more. i guess that’s pretty typical. it sounds like you are doing everything you can in terms of teaching him and trying to talk with him. i have no doubt whatsoever that this is a phase he will grow out of. it’s hard when you’re in the thick of it though!
oh, my 11 month old bit two children at daycare last week. and made one bleed. on her face. she’s like, 4 months old. she can’t even roll over, poor thing.
blogger / apricot / 366 posts
I hope things continue to get better; I’m sure it’s most important to be award and proactive!
kiwi / 729 posts
my son is the same way! He is truly a good child at home (does throw his tantrums and act out a bit especially since the baby came home) but he’s very good natured…until he has to share new toys or when people come over and play with his toys….He does go to daycare/preschool 4 days a week and the teachers said the same thing as drake’s. So that made me feel a bit better. I have observed him at school when he doesn’t know I am there and it does appear to be true so I’m sure the teachers are right about our little boys…but you’re right…it IS exhausting to be out on a playdate when your child seems to be about the only one who doesn’t interact nicely. I swear, my other mommy friends (coincidentally all have girls) can sit and chat with one another while I’m running after my toddler boy and also making sure the baby in his carseat is also getting some attention…
I hope it is just a phase!
grape / 99 posts
I have the same fear. Luckily he’s really not that rough most of the times and actually would rather hang out with me than the other kids during playgroup, so I beg him to go play. I think that stems from him being in daycare and playing with other kids most days of the week. He has a pretty good vocabulary from playing with kids at daycare and will tell them “No Thank you” if they’re being mean or taking something from him. Though he is no angel!
On the flipside, it’s not when kids are mean that bothers me it’s the parents that sit there and watch it happen and don’t correct them or talk to them about it.
I think as long as you’re letting that happen, it will get better.
pomelo / 5628 posts
I think it’ll help to work on the friendships – especially when you get to the point of being able to share your frustrations and I imagine they would be supportive. I’d start with really short outings and ones with less unstructured playtime. Start slowly buy don’t punish yourself or him by staying at home! Good luck!
blogger / clementine / 998 posts
I think I was selfish with toys when I was 5 years old. And they weren’t even MY toys!
pomegranate / 3225 posts
How exhausting for you! Thank you for sharing!
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Thank you for writing this! We have the exact same issues with our 3 year old. He’s a wonderful, smart, sweet boy…when he’s at home. But when he’s around other 3 year olds, he’s quick to grab toys or push to the front of the line, etc. I have the same conflicted feelings between wanting to socialize him more to break these bad habits and being nervous and on edge whenever we do a play date or go to the park because I feel I need to be right on top of him to prevent any incidences.
pear / 1837 posts
We haven’t had too many problems with my son, though since he’s very assertive, very verbal, and bigger than average for his age, I definitely worry more about him bullying than being bullied… I think it helps that we socialize a lot with other kids from his daycare, so they’ve already worked out their play dynamic; that we’ve agreed with friend with kids of a similar age to let the kids work things out themselves even if there’s some fighting; and also, hanging out with older kids. My LO is 32 months and tends to be enough in awe of 4 and 5 year olds that he’s fairly happy to take direction from them, and if they do have conflicts, I feel like a five year old can take whatever my 2.5 year old can dish out, you know?
squash / 13764 posts
That sounds tough! FWIW, as a mama of a toddler who often has playdates with other pushy, rough toddlers, I NEVER am upset at the child or the parent, or feel like I don’t want to hang out with them. I know, and I think most parents do too, that it’s normal child behavior! I bet they’re not nearly as hard on you as you are on yourself!
blogger / pomegranate / 3491 posts
This is so so difficult. I feel like small one on one dates with one other family might be a good place to start. good luck!!!!
grapefruit / 4584 posts
My 18 month old girl has recently begun to do some light (but very, very intentional) cuffing on the head or shoulder of other kids. The worst of it is that the other moms in our playgroup , while thankfully very supportive, are willing to excuse it because she’s small for her age. I don’t want her to learn that it’s okay to be mean as long as the other guy is bigger than you! She can’t be reasoned with in the same way as an older toddler can, so I am trying to either intervene to stop her, or let her suffer the consequences when I can’t stop her in time. Last week a girl she bopped pinched her on the cheek hard enough to leave a mark, and I saw a lightbulb go on for just an instant! I like your ideas of modeling better behavior to your son. dd definitely sees hubby and I play rough with her and each other, and tease each other, so maybe we need to let that go for now until she understands what’s appropriate play and what’s meAn.
pomegranate / 3053 posts
Aaaw… I think it’s a phase and he’ll outgrow it. I probably would still attend play groups but keep them short b/c they are good for his social skills. He probably just gets frustrated and doesn’t know what to do. I find that 3 is when they start to really make friends and want to play with other kids their age. It’s when everything clicks so they sometimes have a hard time processing all of that. At 4, well, in my experience, they know it all! And other issues comes up… It’s never ending.
We actually have the opposite problem. My 4.5 y.o. is terrible at home but great at school and outside. He doesn’t play nice AT ALL with his little brother and takes his toys ALL THE TIME. When we go out he shares and is so nice to other kids. *sigh* I guess my situation is better in some ways. But sometimes at home I just want to run out the door and close it behind me while the boys go at it.
Of course, I would never!
Oh, and my almost 21-month-old hits his big brother. He is getting better at sharing when we go out now… but I think he will be my hitter since he hits his big brother. Today, at our playgroup date he blocked a girl from looking at his secret santa gift until I asked him to share with her and that she will give it back whens he’s done with it. He was fine after that… and then forgot about it when we left.
Kids!
blogger / persimmon / 1220 posts
OMG, I totally know how you feel! Sometimes I feel the need to hover over my LO at the park, because sometimes she’ll hit or push random kids if they get in her way. And I’m always mortified. She has gotten a little better as she gets older, but man, it is tough when your child is the bully. I feel you mama.
blogger / nectarine / 2600 posts
@edelweiss: Thanks for the reassurance. I hope it is an age thing and he will grow out of it. Aww Evan thats not nice to bite a baby Hope this week is better at daycare
@Cchoi4: Thanks, its nice to know Im not alone in this. I have seen Drake at school too when he didnt know I was there and he was better behaved than I expected though sometimes I hve heard from the teacher he is handsy still but its better than when he is just with me
@LaurenEC: I try my best to moderate it as best as i can as tiring as it is. It bothers me when parents dont discipline either so I try to be on top of things as best as I can
@hilsy85: Oh well that does make me feel better that parents like you with less rough kids at least understand my kid isnt terrible.
@Jenn Thank you its nice to hear Im not alone in this as the only mom of a child thats hard at the moment
@PinkElephant: Oh I never thought about horseplay that my husband and I do with Drake Maybe we should be gentler too as a helpful reminder to everyone Thank you
@erwoo: Thank you for sharing your insight. I hope you are right that it will click soon.
@Mrs Checkers: Its nice to hear Im not the only mom for sure so thank you.
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My boy is pretty energetic and can also have moments in play dates where he is tugging toys or yelling mine! I think all three year old boys who are not shy, will do this. That’s from much observation… I handle it at playdates by simply going over to him, getting down on his level, telling him quietly what I saw and explaining that we will leave if he continues to do this. After having him leave one playdate early, he’s reigned it in a lot. I think he needed to see the follow through to really believe that this behavior wasn’t going to fly.
pomegranate / 3053 posts
@Mrs. Chocolate: I hope so too! Oh, and I forgot to mention that when my oldest started preschool at 2.5 he would make his classmates cry by hugging them and not letting go. Sometimes they would fall down on the floor together and he still won’t let go. That was a little bit of an issue but he outgrew that phase. Now he won’t hug anyone, sometimes me.
Kids go through so many phases in life…
blogger / eggplant / 11551 posts
This must have been so hard for you to share, but I’m so glad you did. I love that you always write from the heart and are so real about your experiences!
I agree with @LaurenEC: that it doesn’t bother me when kids push/shove or whatnot because that’s just kids being kids, but it’s when the parents don’t correct it or even say anything about it that can be off putting.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
thanks so much for sharing this story!
maybe something like a soccer class would be great for him where he could burn off energy, work on teamwork, etc.?
i’m sure he will get better as he has more opportunities to socialize with other kids, and he has a thoughtful, loving mama to help him along!
blogger / persimmon / 1231 posts
This was me as a child…I’m hoping LD will be better! I think you’re absolutely right, Drake is being his sweet 3 year old self (which sometimes means some naughty behavior while they’re figuring things out).
blogger / nectarine / 2600 posts
@Mrs. High Heels: yes it was hard. Its hard to admit too when I look at Drake since to me his wonderful but I realize too that he isnt perfect but thats ok, he is to me. I actually have another post of similar nature Im bouncing around in my head about Drakes socal adventures. I hope when he grows up he understands why I shared some of these things even if its not always flattering. Im sure there are others moms out there who are dealing with the same things I am so I want to let them know they arent alone as I often feel when Drake is being awful among all the other children playing and sharing nicely.
It is nice though to hear other moms understand even if their children arent the difficult ones
@Mrs. Bee: I never thought about a team activity class. Ill have to think about it since its winter anyway so nothing to sign up for for a few months. I have another post Im mulling over called “To the Beat of His Own Drum” which might be why I never considered team stuff. Drake is certainly his own little guy and doesnt follow the crowd so Im not sure even in a team setting if he isnt interested he will participate. He tends to like doing his own thing even if its not what the group is.
@Mrs. Deer: Oh thats kinda funny and nice to hear since I think you seem like such a lovely person. What did you do? How did your mom deal with it? well you give me hope since you seem so kind and genuine.!
blogger / persimmon / 1231 posts
@Mrs. Chocolate: I used to spit and bite (yikes!!). My mom and I went through old papers before we moved and there were notes from my preschool… I was pretty naughty! Ha, but as far back as I can remember I’ve been well behaved so I think it was just the toddler/early preschool years
blogger / nectarine / 2600 posts
@Mrs. Deer: I bit when I was a lot younger, like 18 months old. I bit the other little girl my babysitter watched twice and my babysitter stopped watching me! She said she couldnt keep explaining to her parents why it kept happening.