Mr. Milk and I attend no religious services and hold no belief in one supreme being. We did not baptize or christen William (though we shared with family that we would happily do so, for them, if they desired). We do not attend any formal gathering centered on a belief in a higher power, and we have no plans to raise our children to do so.
Sharing that you’re an atheist with family, friends, coworkers, and now, virtual friends and readers, can be a risky game. Just as I imagine letting people know that you hold a devout belief system that precludes you from certain experiences or foods, it can be a bit unsettling for some to realize that you actually harbor no thought that there is life after death or believe that someone is watching over you (for good, or otherwise).
I have only recently begun outwardly acknowledging the term “atheist” to define my beliefs. If I had a choice that wouldn’t take a great deal of explanation, I’d actually let people know that I’m more a secular humanist. Mainly, my husband and I hold the belief that humans are guided to do right and wrong because of reason and ethics; we can be ‘moral’ and do good things simply because we want to and we think it’s the best course of action for ourselves, the human race, and the world in which we live.
When we first met (eleven years ago!), Mr. M and I loved to discuss religion, politics, ethics, and how these heavy issues would weigh out if and when we eventually had children. Now that William is with us, I am even more invested in ensuring that we purposefully identify ways for our child (and eventually, children) to experience the various religious beliefs and institutions that exist, understand their history and the roots of each’s worldview, and make their own decision on what they believe.
There actually is a rather timely article about raising children without religion in the LA Times. When my husband sent me the link a few weeks ago, it was like a nonverbal nod to our own “sustaining moral values and enriching ethical precepts.” As the article notes, we fall into the category of the secular parents who, most importantly, want to raise our children to have “rational problem solving, personal autonomy, independence of thought, a spirit of ‘questioning everything’ and, far above all, empathy.” This very succinctly sums up the guiding pieces of our approach to the world, and secular humanism in general.
Ideally, William would be able to pull from a vast array of knowledge to make the choice to do good, and treat others as he would like to be treated, because it is the ethically and morally ‘right’ way to live life, not necessarily because of a promise of something greater to come in the future or a fear of retribution. In essence, we hope to very purposefully raise our child to live by the Golden Rule. That, I think, is what any parent wants – religious or otherwise! At the end of the day, I also know that there is a chance Will may opt to believe in a higher power, despite having atheists for parents and his general secular upbringing. This doesn’t trouble me – or, at least, it doesn’t in theory, as long I as I know that he has been exposed to a variety of beliefs and religions and makes this decision with full knowledge of what, and why, Mr. Milk and I believe what we do (and don’t).
I acknowledge, though, that valuing the above, without religion, may not be enough. In that, I plan to ensure that William also has a fluid but purposeful education on some key topics. Because we don’t affiliate with a religion, I am aware that this aspect of our parenting will require additional work. In a perfect world, William’s religious education would reflect the following:
- An understanding of major religious texts, including: the Bible (Old and New Testament), the Q’ran, a telling of the life of Buddha, and the major scriptures of Hinduism (including the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata and Upishnads). Emphasis on the stories that are a part of our speech and guiding morals of the society we inhabit (e.g. understand references to David vs. Goliath, etc). We may even decide to read select stories from these texts as bedtime stories.
- Celebration of Christmas, with an understanding of its Pagan and Christian roots.
- Knowledge of what Mr. Milk and I believe, as evidenced through our actions and answers to inevitable questions about the world, and religion specifically. We plan to use the book, Me and Dog to shape some of these discussions, eventually.
- The opportunity to explore any and all religions he expresses an interest in. We’d love for this to mean attending Methodist services with his paternal grandparents, Lutheran services with his paternal great-grandparents, Episcopal services with his maternal grandparents and varied other worship opportunities with friends and neighbors.
- The following principles: open-mindedness, compassion, a thirst for knowledge and the innate belief that all people are, at their core, simply doing all they can to build a world that reflects their vision of what is best for humankind.
- Other sources for fellowship often found at church, through extracurriculars (sports, or newspaper, or drama), neighborhood gatherings, school functions, and other formal youth groups, if he desires.
Anyone else raising a “god-free” child? If you are religious, are there other elements that you think William might miss out on that I haven’t captured?
A typical Sunday morning in our home: playing around in our bed with our little guy.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
I am very intent on raising a “God-free” child. I’m not religious in the slightest, nor is my husband (though his family is fairly religious, and it’s already been an issue with us avoiding some of their rituals for our daughter). I don’t have a problem with her eventually choosing a religion, but that would be her decision for her to make, not for me. I approach religion very academically, like you described, so I would want her to learn about religions of the world, history, etc., and if she comes to believe in God eventually, that would be up to her. I hope to follow a similar path on politics, though with my husband being as political as he is, that would probably be a tough one LOL
pear / 1998 posts
Our plan is very similar to yours. My husband’s parents and several of his siblings are very religious, so it will be interesting navigating those waters in the future. I think we might introduce the christian parables for pop-culture context but treat them as we would Aesop’s fables – stories that illustrate morality and help us learn (but they don’t “define” morality).
I think we will have to put in a bit more effort finding our “village” because I think church is a default village for a lot of people, but I don’t worry too much. I live in a very liberal city and know there are secular humanists and other atheist groups around if I feel like I am missing something. I like the idea of using Sunday (late) mornings to explore nature or volunteer.
Thanks for the recommendation of “Me and Dog” – it looks like a great, cute book!
pea / 13 posts
Thanks for this post. We haven’t concretely discussed how we’re going to go about discussing religion with our children, but my husband and I have agreed that religion is a personal choice, and we want our children to be exposed to all different religions and be free to make their own choice whether or not to follow any particular belief system. I think secular humanism represents my views pretty well – while I do believe in some higher power (which I’ll call God, simply because it’s the easiest for me to wrap my mind around since I was raised Christian), I don’t consider myself a member of any particular religious community, and my husband and I do not attend church (and don’t intend to). My husband aligns himself most closely with Catholicism, and though he was raised and baptized Catholic, he isn’t practicing and does have some problems with certain areas of Catholic teaching.
How have your families responded to your approach to religion and religious and ethical teaching with your son? We’re expecting our first any day now, and I’m a little nervous about how our parents will respond when they realize that our daughter will not be baptized or attend church or Sunday school. My parents are very conservative Christians, and my husband’s parents are Catholic.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
My husband and I are both agnostic and we really just aren’t putting much thought into this. If our children have questions about our beliefs or other beliefs as they get older, we’ll certainly answer them, but I don’t plan to go out of my way to expose them to different religions or anything. I kind of assume they’ll end up agnostic or atheist like us, but if they do choose to become religious, that’s fine by me (as long as they don’t start trying to enforce their religious beliefs on others).
honeydew / 7504 posts
My husband and I grew up in 2 very different places, religiously-speaking. He was Catholic. I attended church every couple of years on major holidays.
He wants to find and join a church. I really could not care less. But I go along with it because he thinks it’s important. But I feel like a hypocrite. I don’t feel like I have a “right” to pray to a God that I don’t really think I believe in. Hubs wants to pray at mealtimes. So we do. We’ve been doing it for months and it still feels very awkward for me.
Your post is very timely for me, because as we continue to try to find a church that feels right for our family, I continue to struggle with my personal identity from a religious perspective. I may actually forward this to him, along with that LA Times article, and ask him to read it and then have a deep heart-to-heart discussion about it. Thank you. I think this has given me a good jumping-off point to start that conversation with him.
pear / 1837 posts
My husband and I are both atheists, and plan on raising our daughter as such. I don’t know that we will go out of our way to teach her about different religions, and we will certainly answer questions as best as we can. I really believe it’s important to live by the Golden Rule. We tend to spend our Sunday mornings outside and in the woods, we call that our “church”.
clementine / 903 posts
My parents raised me just how you are describing. Golden rule, open to all religions, let me choose for myself, etc. They even took me to a Unitarian church for a couple years when I was younger, which teaches about all religions equally. I describe it as I was kind of brought up with Christian principles, just without God.
I think because my morals and values were similar to those of the Christian teachings (for the most part), I was always attracted to friends of Christian backgrounds, and then eventual DH (who grew up Christian). Thus, I got invited to Christian churches a lot with friends and boyfriend.
Many years later I have joined my husband’s church. We are expecting LO #1, and plan to raise him in the church. However, I am very thankful for my upbringing in that it allows me to objectively see the good and bad in the church. While we plan to raise our kids in the church, we plan to also educate them about other religions, teach them open mindedness above all, while taking from the best parts from our church (leaving the less positive parts behind).
In the beginning, it bothered my in laws a lot that I wasn’t “raised in the church” despite the strong moral values my parents have instilled in me. They treated me as the black sheep for years solely because of my religious background (or lack thereof). So my in laws are therefore a constant reminder of what is wrong with Christianity, so I will be incredibly focused on instilling open mindedness in my children.
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I am Christian and found this very interesting. One of the things I love about my belief in God is the sense of peace I have about my life, it’s direction and it’s end. I think it would be important to have a plan in place for how you will deal with death and the whole meaning of life questions that your child will have in the future.
Another important quality to develop would be gratitude. Thankfulness has been empirically associated with a host of positive outcomes. I think giving thanks is a big part of being Christian and it may be a good idea to establish rituals of thanksgiving.
kiwi / 558 posts
First, those are the cutest owl pjs and I so want to steal them! What a cute pic!
Second, thank you for sharing this. I was raised atheist and never really knew that religion was such a big deal. I think it’s great to have you talk openly especially since I feel this is different prespective than some of the other bloggers.
My DH is Catholic and so we have baptized our daughter, because it was important to him. She will also start either a Catholic Montessori or Methodist Day School soon, as religious schools are the only ones around our city that have Mothers Day Out programs.
I’m open to her exploring different religions with friends and family. Further if my DH wants to start going to church with LO then I think it’s great that it’s something they could share and explore together.
pomelo / 5628 posts
Great timing for this post! I was raised Catholic and still have trouble calling myself an Athiest even though it’s absolutely true. And around Easter is when I start to feel a little weird since it is such a religious holiday and I feel like a fraud just having LO search for eggs.
We are lucky in that although plenty of people go to church in our area, probably more do not, so it won’t seem to odd that DS doesn’t go. I don’t think I plan to formally teach anything about religion. I imagine it will come up in conversation and we will talk about how different people believe different things, etc. And I’m not sure if we will take him to any churches, right now I’m leaning towards no.
I loved the LA Times Article because it just reaffirms that all people have morals/principles and that they do not need to come from a religious text, many are human nature.
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My husband is a secular humanist and I’m a “Christian” in that I love the tradition, the village that others touched on and an outlet in which I can do service. We baptized our daughter at my church, a Presbyterian church, where baptism is a promise of her love, not seen as a forgiveness of future sins.
My husband was raised in a church and we both agreed it allowed for amazing friendships, some moral guides and most importantly to us, an opportunity for service. Yes, that opportunity is elsewhere, but my church focuses on issues dear to our hearts (food equality, border issues being so close to Mexico, lgbtq equality…) and we recognize how important that is to us, and hopefully to our daughter. If she expresses an interest in volunteering elsewhere and is no longer interested in church, we’ll allow for that certainly, but providing a foundation in church seems to work for us.
What a fascinating topic!
pomelo / 5084 posts
Just out of curiosity, what was your reason for being willing to christen your son if some other family member desired it? Asking because I dont want to christen our child as we wont be raising him or her with a religion (I am just 5 weeks now, so we have awhile to discuss it!) but I KNOW DW’s mom will want us to …
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: I love describing it as ‘academically approaching religion’ because it was a class exploring the gospels that weren’t ‘chosen’ that was my big push down the path to being a “none.”! And I totally agree about the same approach with politics!
@TemperanceBrennan: Such a great way to juxtapose it- I also think introducing the stories from various religions the way you’ve described captures my thinking as well. And I agree that finding the fellowship/village/camaraderie without religion is bit more difficult! It will definitely take effort on our part as well. Good luck to you!
@SadieBee: Congrats to you on your little one! Your description of your beliefs sounds so similar to mine until just a few years ago. With our families, it has been interesting. Not bad- but we have been very upfront with them about our beliefs/non beliefs for a long time. My family is pretty non-religious at this point – my brother is an atheist like me, and my parents, though we were raised Catholic (I was baptized, attended CCD, had my first communion, etc) and then Episcopal (where my parents ran the youth group and I was frequently the acolyte on Sundays), have also stopped attending any formalized religious gathering the past few years. So my family was ok with it – it has been basically a non-issue. My husband’s family is very much a religious family and it has been a learning process. They knew we were not believers (or, probably suspected) for a while, and have been very non-confrontational about it. I do think my husband’s grandmother (who watches Will 2 days a week) and mother (who directs the learning programs at her church) wish that we were believers and that Will was going to be raised that way. However, we have tried to be open about our desire for Will to learn about their beliefs from them directly as he grows. We have no issue with Christian-themed books he’s received, and don’t go out of our way to contradict our family or others in this issue. I imagine it will become more complicated as Will grows and asks questions, but I’m hoping a strong foundation of understanding will pervade. I’ll keep the ‘bee posted on how this progresses over time, though, as this is much more of a “I hope we can raise Will this way” kind of post and reality may take different turns over the next few years.
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
@Adira: That’s cool! I’m definitely an over-planner by nature, so I felt I wanted to write down my thoughts and gel them into actions before I was in the situation of questions from Will. I’d love to hear how it goes with you, as your first is older than mine and will likely ask questions before Will does!
@littlebug: Man what a tough situation! I’m glad that this post and the article might provide a place to begin the conversation. Good luck and let me know how it goes! Sending
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@LulaBee: Totally agree about spending time outside on Sundays – the world is so amazing, whether one believes it was created by a Supreme Being or otherwise.
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Not sure if it helps, but I was raised the way you describe (although my mom is agnostic, not atheist, so there was a limited use of the afterlife when my favorite uncle died). It wasn’t until college that I realized what a profound benefit it was too be exposed to so many different beliefs – it helped with critical thinking, but also with empathy, understanding other people & cultures. And I was almost always the only student in a very selective liberal arts school who understood literary & historic references that involved major world religions! Now that I’m a mom I plan to bring my son up the same way, showing him that while no one may have the right answer there are a lot of people trying really hard to get as close as they can. And that there are a helluvalot of good stories out there!
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Oh, and I grew up going to breakfast with the family, then on a long walk after that. I often joke that we had lattes for church, but some of my most treasured memories are those mornings!
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@Mrs. Milk: haha, I’ll keep you posted! But my parents are agnostic and raised us that way and I turned out agnostic, so I kind of assume the same will be true for us (now what that NOT be the case). I do remember at one point when I was young being interested in religion and my mom gave me her old Bible to read (her parents were religious), but I got bored with it pretty quickly, haha.
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
@mrscobee: I’m sorry to hear that your ILs don’t necessarily respect your upbringing and values as much as they would had it been because of a religious upbringing.
I have considered finding a Unitarian church or perhaps Quaker meeting near us as I do think the gathering of people to discuss this topic regularly might be an important part of shaping Will’s values and worldview. Thanks for this insight!
@Christine:Oh, those are both great points! And thank you for commenting, as Christian. I endeavored to be respectful but direct, and I hope I didn’t offend you with my thoughts above. The idea of giving thanks is really important, and I think I’ll have do some thinking about that – I’m imagining focusing on gratitude in general will be a part of how we hope to raise Will, but specifically identifying times when we do this would be a good idea. And the point about comfort around the idea of afterlife is such a good one – it’s actually something I mourn as a non-believer now. I loved the feeling of love and joy and peace I had when I believed that there was something greater to come. I’m not sure how to approach this if it becomes a concern with my son – any ideas for a non-believer?
@HTownMom: Ha ha, the PJs are actually from the ‘girls’ side of Carter’s – and a gift from Will’s great-grandmother! We love them.
And thank you – I was a bit weary of sharing this, so I appreciate the kind words. I totally understand about the schools. What do you plan to do to prepare your LO for the ‘worship’ time that is often a part of those schools’ curricula/daily schedule?
@Mrs Green Grass: I loved the Times article for that exact same reason! It was very affirming for me, and a big part of why I felt comfortable to write this post! Let me know if you find any other great resources – I’d love to read them!
@Jennifer: I think that’s something I worry we will really miss out on since we don’t have a place where we gather and worship. Because we live in the DC area, there are so many great places to find to volunteer and share our passions for a just world, but I do think about it often! Thanks for sharing your view!
@wrkbrk: great question! I think we decided that the act means very little to us (i.e., we don’t believe children are born into sin and that baptizing would erase that or affect his afterlife) but so much to many, including family members, that we would happily engage in that ritual for them, and their beliefs. In the end, they didn’t ask us to and so it was a bit of a non issue. I do wonder if some do still wish we had or would – I may ask again! Congrats to you, mama, also, on the babe! I’d love to hear how you might shape that convo with them – it could add a great dimension to this greater conversation!
pomelo / 5084 posts
@Mrs. Milk: Thanks for your reply! That makes sense. I just actually bought a book called Parenting Beyond Belief: http://www.amazon.com/Parenting-Beyond-Belief-Raising-Religion/dp/0814474268 (early I know – I’m a planner).
It covers this very topic. Excited to read it and post my thoughts! And thank for the congrats.
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I’m an atheist, and my husband is at the very least agnostic, and we will be raising our children (oldest is 2, the other one in my belly) god-free as you say. We’ve never talked specifically how we will approach this yet. It may interest you that I was raised an atheist (which is quite normal in modern Japanese households where even religion based holidays and rituals such as praying are not so “religious” and really more cultural rituals, superstitions and the like) and always was a pretty moralistic child. My parents I don’t think ever thought about the need for me to understand or be properly be exposed to many religions (though much of my childhood was spent in the US). And as a result, I don’t particularly feel that I missed out on anything. I’m certainly not against the idea of a God, and religion in terms of why they are so important to society, its origins etc are all present among us human beings and not so hard to understand. What I do wish I had been exposed to is reading of the Bible and the like. I read so much literature (mostly western), I think my understanding of the text would be so much richer if I had a better grasp of Biblical text. Obviously the Bible is on my to-read list, but it’s hard when there’s so much out there to read!
pomegranate / 3113 posts
Thank you for this post and for the links to the article and book! DH and I are atheist (I very much appreciate secular humanism and attended some meetings in the city we used to live in, but haven’t found an active community here) and we haven’t really thought that much about how we’ll address DD’s questions in the future. She’s still too young but I know the day will come eventually and it would be good to have a plan. I think that because “god” isn’t really a presence in our lives, it just hasn’t been on our radar!
nectarine / 2667 posts
I’m pretty much on the same page as what you’ve outlined. I like your points about trying to actively teach about other religions, stories, and customs. As for the thankfulness that someone else mentioned, we replaced mealtime prayers with “Thank Yous”. We thank everyone (animals and people) involved with our meal, as well as the sun, soil, & water. My son says “Thank you farmers!” before he’s even in his seat. We’re also not sure how to approach death, but honestly I still don’t know what I feel/believe in that area yet!
pear / 1787 posts
Thanks for this post! Very refreshing to see here. My husband and I feel similar to you and yours.
blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts
If you ever want to check out a Hindu temple let me know! It’s much less structured than church services typically are, more individualized. We’re not very religious but both sets of parents are so they’ll get exposed to both Christianity and Hinduism, although being Hindu is more cultural than religious for Mr T
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
@Tessa: YES to the benefits you described – AND to lattes as church, ha!
@Adira: Ha! I never read the Bible all the way through either, even when I was much younger and much more religious.
@wrkbrk: Ooh, I’ll check that out – thank you so much!
@potatomom: That is good to know – thank you! I appreciate the thought about knowing the Bible/it’s stories too. You’ve captured exactly why I want Will to be exposed to that text, and others. Thanks!
@PurplePeony: Totally with you on the ‘not in my mind’ kind of place. I think it came to mind with Easter approaching just now, but it really only does around major Christian/Western holidays!
@JoyfulKiwi: Oh that’s a great idea – thank you!
@DigAPony: You’re welcome! And thank you
@Mrs. Tiger: Yes, please! Thank you!
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Thanks for this post! My husband and I share your views. Its nice to hear this view, which isn’t often discussed.
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It is so refreshing to hear this! I often feel like I’m alone in raising my children this way. My husband and I are both atheist (both previously christian) and every single family member and friend of ours is religious.
blogger / cherry / 204 posts
We are raising “god free” children and its something I’ve always been nervous to post about on here even though its one of the aspects of parenting that I think most about. You did such a wonderful job of sharing such a touchy subject! I agree completely with everything you said (though we weren’t open to baptizing our children for our parent’s sake.) I think there are certain conversations (like about death) that are so much harder to have with your children when you aren’t religious and I’m always interested in hearing how other non-believers approach these things.