Even before we were married, my husband and I talked about our future family and what it might look like, as so many do. Besides throwing out imaginary future kid names, our other favorite debate was, “how many kids would you want?” I came from a family of 2, but liked the idea of three children because I have always envied larger families. My husband was firmly in the three children camp because he is one of three, but was very open to four, and even five. Now, even he’s not so firm on the three.
Of course, as it often is, talk is very different from reality. At the time, we had no idea what it really took to raise children. The amount of time and energy involved was all-consuming, not to mention the financial strain. We love our family of four, but we still wanted to keep our options open for a third…
These are some factors we considered in our talks about growing our family:
1) Money – Having children takes a big financial commitment, especially if those children are in daycare or if one parent has to park their career for awhile to either stay home with the kids, or put their career ambitions on hold. This can be offset by some things, like having a larger age gap so that at least one (or even both) kids are in public school before the third one arrives. Or if someone is already a SAHP, they might want to have their children back-to-back to get the baby-rearing stages out of the way, get their kids in school, and get back to the workforce sooner. Still, there are additional costs to consider even after they enter the public school system because if both parents work out of the home full-time, some sort of after school arrangement will need to be set up. We actually have a really affordable daycare for our area, so when we looked into these prices, it actually would not save us that much more money compared to our after school care! Then there is wanting to save for retirement so we don’t burden our kids later in life, college planning so that we can at least help offset some of their costs, little things here and there required of daily life, and it all adds up fast.
2) Career – There is no doubt in my mind that having kids slowed down my career. I “mommy-tracked” myself because that was the only way I could find balance and “have it all.” I am less willing to take risks (in terms of career decisions), and do not make work my #1 priority anymore because my family is my #1 priority. I’d rather have a flexible schedule, have the ability to pick my kids up at a reasonable hour, and find balance in my work and home life than try to push the envelope. If I did not have kids, I’m sure I would’ve sought other opportunities more aggressively, taken more risks in terms of taking up more responsibility, and been more willing to explore new, creative projects that would stretch me as a person. I just haven’t been willing to take those leaps these last few years even with two kids; I can’t imagine how it’d be if I were to do it all over again. I don’t want to take on more in my career (for now) because sometimes I feel like that will come at the expense of my family. I try to keep a long-term perspective on this, and realize that even if I’m not willing to pursue certain things right now, it doesn’t mean I’ll never have the opportunities to. There are plenty of good years ahead, but a third would probably set me back a couple more years.
3) Energy – I was actually the first of my friends to have kids. In our neck of the woods, having kids under 30 is rare, so we consider ourselves “younger parents.” Yet, we are exhausted and sore with all the carrying, lifting, and more. This isn’t an issue of can we do it because I’m sure we can muster up the energy if we have to, and having done it twice before… it’s not like we don’t know what to expect. The question is, do we want to? Will we be stretching ourselves too thin?
4) Health – After my first pregnancy, I didn’t experience many of the postpartum symptoms that people often mention… my feet didn’t grow or change, my hair didn’t fall out, I didn’t get stretch marks, and my weight bounced back quickly. After my second pregnancy, I developed a strange, unbearable rash during my second trimester all the way through 18 months postpartum that I now attribute to a gluten intolerance, my feet flattened and widened and grew half an inch (not that I need it because my feet were already flat and wide!!), and I just felt a lot more rundown. I relished in the first time pregnancy glow, but my second pregnancy was harder on me because I couldn’t rest when I wanted and I just didn’t take as good care of myself as I did with my first due to chasing a toddler around. To be pregnant with a third while meeting the needs of two very opinionated, rambunctious, high-energy toddlers scares me a bit. I also worry that my awful rash will come back with a vengeance, and who knows what else. Hormones are a crazy thing! I have one mom friend who developed an allergy to fish after her second pregnancy (her daughter is in middle school now! No more sushi – ever – for her!), and another mom friend who lost her sense of smell after her second pregnancy (her son is in college now!). Stories like these make me nervous too.
5) Time – This is the BIGGEST factor of all for us. Everyone we know with 3+ kids have at least one parent who stays at home, or they have an extremely flexible job (they can set their own hours, come and go whenever they please, etc.). When we think about time though, we’re actually not even talking about the time it takes out of our days in the early years. If anything, I think those are the “easier” years when it comes to time. But when the kids get older, there will be years when they are going to different schools with different pick-up and drop-off times, or they’ll be involved in different activities on different days with different times. The idea of juggling all of that as two full-time working parents who have no intention on staying home… sounds overwhelming. When I talk about how tired or busy I feel to some of my seasoned, mentor mom friends, they honestly, gently relay to me that it will only get busier – that this is the easy part. I see glimpses of their life, I listen to the stories they share… and even if their children are only involved in one activity, it is still very busy. There are competitions on weekends, practices, and you have to work around team schedules. Not to mention the homework, test preparation, and parental involvement schools require of parents these days.
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Our biggest concern is the time commitment because it is the one thing you can’t put on hold or get more of (if only!). We can muster up energy, “phone it in” with our careers while maintaining our lifestyle, reign in our expenses to make the money piece work, and take a risk on health because I actually had pretty smooth pregnancies and deliveries… but time – there is never enough.
If we did have a third, our plan was always to wait until our first entered Kindergarten so we wouldn’t have three in daycare. However, as the kids get older and further from the baby stage, the less we want to revisit those early years. Now that the kids are older, we’ve had more opportunities to enjoy travel, not be so tied to naps and bedtimes, and feel as if we can “move forward” with the things we’ve put on hold for so long. Yet there is a part of us that thinks it would be neat to have a larger family. We imagine what a future with three children might look like, the family reunions we could have in our old age… and we dream.
Do you ever waver back and forth between 1 and 2, or 2 and 3… like we have? What factors have you considered when it comes to family planning?
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We frequently waver between 1 and 2, for many of the same reasons you mentioned. Hubby is firmly in the ‘one and done’ camp, while I’m pondering a little more. I know he’d easily be onboard with having a second if I really wanted to, but I’m very much on the fence.
Unlike you, we’re “older” parents (I’m turning 35, he’s turning 40), so the time to decide is NOW. Or, you know, yesterday.
Our daughter is 16 months old, so at least we wouldn’t have 2 under 2, which should help with the energy issue… Maybe? Hopefully? I really don’t know!
cantaloupe / 6086 posts
I think about #3 a lot (and #2 is only 5 months!). We definitely wanted two so I guess last time I just didn’t think much about it until we were ready to TTC again. I didn’t understand how the logistics would work out, but I knew we could make it work, and we did.
#3 I’m not so sure and keep telling myself we’ll decide when #2 is about 18 months. I want to see what kind of toddler he is, what kind of temperament. I want to see if I can get myself back in shape (if I ever TTC again I want to lose 25 lbs first and be at a better starting point – especially since it might be a long road with past infertility and miscarriages). Since I stay at home now, I want to see what job DH has and that impact on our life, since he’ll probably change jobs before then. There are certainly a lot of potential issues around money and logistics, but I also feel like we have love to give and that could outweigh everything. I’m hoping a year from now I just know!
GOLD / apricot / 341 posts
We have three pretty close together (4, 2.5 and 13 months) and it is magical seeing the three of them together. I love it. BUT. It is also harder than I thought. My third pregnancy was completely different from the first two, and many midwives told me they often see that with a third baby. And this last one is a terrible sleeper. We are definitely stretched thin trying to give each child the attention they deserve. We wouldn’t change our family for anything but it is worth considering what you can handle in every way and also not counting on another baby being just like the first ones. Whether or not they sleep well can make such a huge difference for the first couple of years and you just don’t know ahead of time what you will get…
blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts
We’re 100% done, for a lot of the reasons you mentioned!
pomegranate / 3565 posts
I often wonder if I’m ready physically and emotionally for a third. But I don’t think you can prepare yourself for any number. You just learn as you go.
I’ve also heard from many moms that you will always regret the one you didn’t have no matter what number it is.
blogger / pear / 1563 posts
We 100% want at least one more kid, but for all the reasons you mentioned above we wonder how long to wait before moving forward with fertility treatment of some kind. (Maybe IVF, maybe embryo adoption). On days the kids are sweet and sleep well I think, “sure! Let’s move forward in 6-9 months!”. But when life is it’s usual, crazy self, I just think about wanting sleep.
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We have had 3 in 3 years and it is HARD. You are outnumbered and the opportunities for the kids is so much less. We don’t go to Little gym or teas or mommy & me anything because it’s a complete circus. I feel constant guilt that my middle child seems neglected, late to potty train and speech delayed. All because he is caught between a dominant oldest child (who is only 4) and a 1 year old baby. The transition from 2-3 kiddos was unbelievable (and the first 2 were only 15 months apart but that was easy compared to this). I realize every family is different but this is our story….
bananas / 9118 posts
I am in the exact same place. We originally planned a third, are content with two, and undecided on a third. Eventually we probably will, but the costs of the bigger car and bigger car are daunting.
honeydew / 7968 posts
We wanted three. Then, took us so long to have two, so we pretty much thought we’d only have two. Then, had a surprise three. I’d love four, but it’s too tiring. My son is still not sttn.
grapefruit / 4187 posts
It’s funny how your plans change after actually having the kids vs. being a dreamy childlesscouple. Before i was so against having an only child, i thought it was crazy. I’ve since realized that it actually has so many benefits! And the energy is really my biggest motivation to stick with obe at this point. I am totally exhausted by the time ds goes to bed every night and we are always stressed and frustrated on days we dont have childcare. I cant imagine doubling that!
apricot / 340 posts
I’m in the same boat. I’ve always wanted a big family since I’m an only child, but my hubby is done with 2 boys. However, I’m already feeling our energy level dropping with 2 very active boys, and can’t imagine adding a newborn to the mix. On the other hand, I’m seeing my friends having babies now (like you, I’m also one of the first of my friends to have children), and I’m missing the newborn smell and phase. What to do, what to do!
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The rash! Was it PUPP?
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I am so glad to see this. Family size is so hard! There is no trying it out to see what works.
We are in a bit of a different place, but looking at pretty much the same issues as we try to decide about family size. We have 2 bio kids that I carried. Both girls and they are 7 years apart. Right now they are 8 and almost 1. I can’t believe my last baby is almost not a baby. We always wanted to foster and/or adopt 2 siblings. Originally we wanted to have 1 bio child, if possible, and then when that child was about 5 do the foster and/or adopt process. Well, as we got closer to age 5 with our first I really wanted to have one more baby. So now we do and now that she is close to a year we feel ready to get back to the foster or adopt plan. We really struggled with whether or not to try for a second bio child because we felt 3 was a good number but for various reasons really wanted to add 2 siblings. I wanted 3 kids but I wanted another baby and to take 2 siblings. Now as we start the process there is a group of 3 kids that is tugging at our hearts. It took me 8-9 months to adjust and feel like we were doing more than surviving with 2, can we really have any hope of handling 5 kids? 4 seems like a lot. It seems completely crazy. And I would have to be staying home, no question. To be able to afford a family of 7 on 1 salary, and we work in local government, it is no great salary, seems impossible. This has all just become a big thing in the past week as we are trying to make a real plan for our future because a big change like this needs some preparation. With every moment I feel tired I think “can I really handle any more, much less 2 or 3 more?” It is SO hard to decide when you don’t know how it will go. On the flip side my wife is 1 of 5 kids and the last 2 were a surprise twin pregnancy. Yes my mother in law was completely done, about to get her last baby into kindergarten and found out she was pregnant with twins. So we also know that if we had to we would make it work. We are a lesbian couple so no surprise pregnancies for us, but we have decided to just talk to the social workers and be honest and see how it goes. For me I keep trying to remind myself to make this decision from a place of faith rather than fear. When it comes time to make the decision we will know in our hearts what is the right decision.
Good luck to all of you making the same tough decisions about family size. I think for me I will always be sad to be done having babies. I love having a baby. It is tiring and I love the older kid stages too, but there is such finality in being done adding. My sister and sister in law agree, even when you don’t really want another baby there is sadness that there won’t be anymore. It isn’t logical at all! This might be why we also have 3 cats, 2 dogs and our 16 year old niece is staying with us for the summer because her parents are having a hard time and she has had a rough child hood.
blogger / persimmon / 1220 posts
This post makes me feel like there’s still a window…
blogger / eggplant / 11551 posts
@Mrs Checkers: window is closing… Rapidly. What about you?? *nudge nudge*
blogger / persimmon / 1220 posts
@Mrs. High Heels: I like even numbers.
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More is just more fun! I know this comment is for an older post but I just found your panko wasabi salmon recipe and I can’t wait to make it. Then I read this post. You won’t regret having more but you will regret having fewer children. I convinced my friend to have one more than the two children she already had. Her husband had his vasectomy reversed and they had a third and are so happy. My other friend who was adamant about not having more than two now regrets but it’s too late because she had a hysterectomy. She now tells everyone they should have more children when they can. It’s just so much more fun with more kids. In the end, life is not about how much you have materially but how much love you have!!
Thanks again for your salmon recipe!
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Btw–I have four children. It’s so fun.