Hey, old friends and those of you who weren’t even thinking about having babies the last time I showed my face around here much! For those of you that don’t know me or have missed me or who were glad I’m gone but will quietly put up with my return, I promise I’ve had a million good reasons to be absent. Most of all, I was surviving three kids under two . . . and then three kids under three. Now, we’re to the practically relaxing three kids three and under stage, which is basically like a walk in the park if the park contained fit-throwing hyenas that could only obtain their sole source of life from mythical unbroken banana that no parent has ever actually encountered. So, yeah, it’s breezy over here. But, look how cute my little hyenas are and how much they don’t look like babies anymore.
Crazy hair day at school. We bring the crazy part everyday, though.
Seriously, though, the last two years have been a little insane. I went from working outside-the-home full time to staying home full time in September 2014. G-man joined the crew in January 2015. In August 2015, I started working part-time from home. In January 2016, I went back to work part-time in an office setting, and in May 2016, I started taking some classes on top of it all, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
So, what has brought me out of my hole, you say? Well, considering my history, I think I should get the most obvious guess out of the way. . . there is not a baby in my uterus. My New Year’s Resolution in 2016 was to not get pregnant. Seven months in, and I’m nailing that one so far. 2016 has brought some other new things into our lives, though, and that’s what I want to talk with you about. I’m 34 years old. I’m on my second career. I have a bachelor’s degree and a law degree. And until recently, I still had no idea what I wanted to be when I grew up. I had decided I just wasn’t the kind of person that ever really had a deep-seeded ambition or dream when it came to a career. That’s just fine, except some part of me still felt like I was missing something obvious but I couldn’t quite figure out what it was.
Several months ago, I started talking to a friend who is in school to become a family nurse practitioner. Mr. Blue had been telling her he always thought I would be a good nurse, and we started talking about it. I explained that while we had considered me going back to school a few times, I wasn’t sure if I would love it and I didn’t know if I would be happy doing that forever. She knows me well and her personality is similar to mine, and she started talking to me about the idea of going to nursing school and then nurse practitioner school after a few years of nursing. That sort of stuck with me as something I could see myself doing long term, but I was still hesitant. I had no desire to go back to school and jump into another career without knowing if was a field I could stay in until I retire.
I started volunteering at an amazing free clinic where we live, and I fell in love with it. Sure, it’s tiring and some days are chaotic, but I felt like what I was doing mattered and was making a direct impact on the quality of life of our patients. The more I was in that setting, the more I felt like maybe that was the right direction for me. I felt more at home there than at any job I had ever had. I’d done research on local programs, worked out timelines, cost, etc., but I was still hesitant about yet another career change at my age, especially one in which I would have to go all the way back to the beginning and get another bachelor’s degree. Mr. Blue generously told me that even if I didn’t finish everything until I’m 40, I’m welcome to work another 25+ years after that. Thanks for that, dear.
A friend who is an anesthesiologist offered to let me come observe in the OR with her. I jumped at the chance, went through a million hoops to get clearance from the hospital, and before I knew it, I was in scrubs, walking into an operating room.
And guys. Guys. This is going to sound so cheesy, but it was the first time in my entire life that I felt like I found my place in the world. I loved everything about it. I loved the way the whole team worked together. I loved seeing the actual surgery, whether it was an appendectomy or open-heart surgery (and for the record, with the exception of the birth of my children, seeing a heart beating in an open chest cavity was the coolest moment of my life. Incredible!). I was able to observe numerous surgeries over a couple days but from the moment I started watching the first surgery, I never looked back. I had to have this in my life. Somehow, this world had to become mine.
With my personality, my first thought was to scrap everything else and figure out a way to go to med school, do really well, and spend the rest of my life operating on people. I’m a little obsessive and crazy like that. Reality, however, soon set in. Though one surgeon I met told me there were a couple of ex-lawyers in his class that were about my age-ish so I certainly wasn’t too old to do it, my age and status as a parent have to be factored in to any decision I make.
Sure, if I were 10 years younger or didn’t have a million kids, I would jump at the chance. I know it’s assuming a lot to think I could (a) get in, (b) do well enough to get a good surgical residency, (c) survive a surgical residency, and (d) still like the OR at the end of it all. But for the sake of this post, let’s just assume all those things could happen. I still run squarely into a wall.
How do you balance a dream that would take considerable money and more than a decade to finish against the reality that I have three little kids, who often make me crazy but that I love with abandon and don’t want to miss as much of their growing up years as I think would be required during med school and residency? And it’s not for a year or two, either. In my head, I wrestled it over and over. I wanted to be in an OR so badly, but I knew in my heart that med school just wasn’t something I could let myself consider. My personality is pretty all or nothing, and balance isn’t my forte. There’s no way I could do a good job even attempting to balance med school and being a mom. Some women do it, do it well, and they blow me away because I’m pretty sure I would miserably fail at one job or the other. I had a few good cries about that dream, kicked myself for not figuring out what I wanted to be when I was 20 instead of mid-30s, and stopped thinking about it (mostly). While my decision wouldn’t be right for everyone, I felt like that this particular little dream I needed to sacrifice for the life I want as a mama.
The good news is that there were still options that I was excited to consider. My anesthesiologist buddy started talking to me early on about going the CRNA route and becoming an anesthetist, while my other friend still reminds me that we could have a lot of fun being nurse practitioners together. The reality is that either of those options are a long time away, and I have time to see what direction seems best when I have school done and get some experience under my belt.
Everything that has happened in the last few months has given me clarity that I absolutely want to go forward with school. There are a lot of good programs out there, but the one that fits best with our life is an accelerated one-year second degree BSN program. Nursing school will be hard on my family no matter when I do it, so I feel like it’s better to have a horribly intense year and “get it over with,” so to speak. It only starts in January, and there were numerous prerequisites I needed to obtain before I could apply. I knocked out 7 hours I needed in a terribly busy 5-week term this summer, and I’ll keep taking a couple of classes a semester for the next year. Then, I’ll be ready to apply for a January 2018 start.
But there’s just one more problem. I’ve previously referenced that we’re crazy . . . and we’re not sure if we’re done having kids. We’ve always thought we would probably have one more, and stop on a solid even number. When I first started thinking about all this, I decided I was done with kids. I was really excited about the future, and I wanted to just jump in to it. After a few months, though, that feeling of our family not quite being complete, that maybe there is still someone missing, has crept back in to our minds.
In all candor, the timing sucks. I’m 34. I’m planning on starting nursing school in a year and a half. We want a hypothetical #4 to be relatively close in age to the other three if we’re going to have a hypothetical #4. Do I get pregnant asap and plan on starting an intense accelerated program with a 6-month old? Do I put off starting nursing school until a baby #4 is 1 1/2 years old, which would probably be “easier” but also means it’s that much longer before I can really jump into what I’ve been dreaming of doing? Do I wait to have another one until after nursing school, making a 5-year gap between kid 3 and kid 4?
Then, because I can’t help myself, I jump into the next stage and start worrying about that. If I go to CRNA school, I have to move a minimum of 6 hours away. My oldest kids would be 7 or 8 at the time I started. Is that fair to move them for 2-3 years only to move them somewhere else? Should I just go the nurse practitioner route, so I can stay right here and not be in quite as an intense school as CRNA school? And off my mind goes again trying to balance my family and my desires as a mama with my desires for me personally.
Y’all, no joke, I gave birth to Christopher Robin. Who wouldn’t want another Christopher Robin?
I was talking to a different friend recently, and she was encouraging me to consider putting school off entirely for a few years. While she made some excellent points and was truly trying to help me evaluate options to reduce some stress in our lives right now, the thought of giving that up even for a few years made me feel sick to my stomach.
An updated picture of the original Babies Blue is your reward for having read all of that.
The reality is sometimes being a parent and being a person feel like they’re in direct conflict. I don’t want to sacrifice my kids’ childhoods, miss the big moments, or skip the whispered secrets at bedtime. In ten years, I don’t want to regret not having another kid or feeling like we’re still missing someone. On the other hand, for a while during my time staying home, I felt like I was at risk of losing myself, of not ever being able to find me again. Maybe that was just the result of a lot of life changes at one time and a whole lot of little people who needed me, but it shook me up and scared me a little. I want to be a great mama to my boys because they’re the best thing that’s ever happened to me and because they deserve the best mama in the world. But, I don’t think that has to be mutually exclusive with having my own dreams and following them. I want my boys to learn it’s never to late to fight for a dream you have, I want them to see me loving what I do, and making a difference in the world. I think I can be a good mama and pursue my own dreams, too. I’m just not sure exactly how to make it all work yet.
So, tell me, old and new friends, what are your thoughts on balancing your personal dreams and ambitions with being the kind of parent you want to be for your littles? Thoughts, personal experiences, and useful or useless advice are all welcome! Or just weigh in and cast your vote about whether a Baby Blue 4.0 should make an appearance. I’ll feel free to ignore it in our actual decision making, but at least we’ll all know if you’re the type to embrace the crazy or whether you make good, logical life choices.
pomegranate / 3212 posts
I’m in the thick of all of this too. I want to start a masters program for psych and potentially then move forward with a Psy.D or Ph.D. But we also want a third relatively soon, and DH is a medical resident in his first year, and that is entirely consuming on the family time wise, and emotionally.
I haven’t figured it all out yet either, but do take some comfort in knowing that I’ve at least figured out what I want. Now I just have to figure out how to make it happen. Yikes!
coconut / 8472 posts
Have you thought about going to school to be a physician assistant? My friend’s husband changed careers to this and loves it. He was in IT and went back to school for about 2-3 years. Now he works in orthopedic surgery.
olive / 59 posts
This is one of the best posts I’ve seen written on Hellobee lately. Thank you for tackling an issue that I constantly struggle and wonder about. I’m a lawyer–mama to an 11 month old and pregnant with #2–and figuring all the next steps our and thinking about timelines and career and potential future babies is what keeps me up at night. I don’t have any answers for you but virtual hugs and high fives for being a superstar.
pea / 16 posts
I started this post to say that I didn’t have any advice, but wanted to cheer you on, but then I realized that we have a lot in common.
My mother was in the same position you’re in. She had three kids under three, myself and my twin sister and my little sister who came 1.5 years later (surprise!). She worked while we were little, and is one of the hardest working, smartest and most capable people I know. But without a college degree, her options were limited.
I remember her taking a few law classes and accounting classes when I was little, and I somehow knew that she desperately wanted to go back to school, but she never did.
My dad had a demanding job, and he traveled a lot, and we moved a lot, and out of practicality, her dreams took a backseat.
I wish our family would have figured it out like you’re trying to do. Her happiness and fulfillment was worth it.
persimmon / 1096 posts
I’m right there with you. I’m 28 years old and considering trying to start a PhD program in a few years. I had my first baby at 25 and left my full time work in PR to stay home and do some freelance writing work on the side. I had my second at 27 and my third will be arriving shortly after I turn 29. I’m probably done at 3, but I haven’t done child care for any of them and am not sure I’m personally comfortable with that before starting preschool at age 3.5 or 4. So with #3 due in December, I’m looking at 4 or 5 years before starting my doctorate – and it doesn’t help that my area is English Literature, which has notoriously terrible job prospects. I wouldn’t need a tenured position as a professor, necessarily, but if I invest 5-6 years in this program I want to end up teaching at a good college or excellent high school. Add to all of this the fact that there are no universities offering a good PhD program anywhere close to where we live now… there are clearly a lot of things that need to line up for this to work out. But I can’t shake the feeling that this is what I’m meant to do, that I will regret it later if I don’t pursue this dream. So I’m struggling with these same plans and I feel for you – it’s tough!
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As a nurse and (now) a momma who did a 16-month accelerated BSN at Georgetown I will tel you that an accelerated BSN is one of the most difficult intense things I’ve ever done. It is not for the faint of heart, nor for someone with a new baby at home. I cannot stress that enough. I’m 7 years into my career, work in critical care, and most of my fellow RNs have gone on to CRNA or NP school. Both are also incredibly difficult and time consuming but of course rewarding. It sounds like you have found a passion in the medical world which is awesome, but I would definitely agree with your friend who says to put it off a few years if you are still figuring out your family decisions!! PA school is good too. But of course I’m a nurse at heart so I always encourage folks to have that background
but PAs can be in the OR or office or hospital setting also. It’s a great flexible career choice!! Good luck to you as you figure all this stuff out. You can handle it!!!
grapefruit / 4717 posts
Welcome back! I missed you. What tough decisions ahead. No advice, but somehow I just know it will all just fall into place for you.
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Let me give you a little perspective from the child’s side. I’m now 30 years old, and expecting my own first child. However My mother didn’t have a degree and had two kids in her early 20’s. Once she figured out she was interest in the law, she started taking one night class per semester – beginning when I went to kindergarten (1990). She graduated with her 2-Yr paralegal degree in 1997. She started working part time, and eventually became free-lance, building a very successful business. After several years she realized that being an Attorney was really her calling and decided to go that route. She needed a 4 year degree first – so she took an accelerated bachelors program that met once night per week for 2 years straight. Then she had to tackle the LSATs and getting into Law School. By this time, my brother and I were in high school and college ourselves. Getting into law school was EXTREMELY difficult, however she did get into an excellent program. Then she began 3 years of Law School, during my years away at college. She graduated in 2008, the same year I graduated with my bachelors. She had to take the Bar exam twice (very discouraging but not uncommon) and now runs her own practice. She was 46 when she graduated law school, after starting higher education at age 29. She has been in business for 8 years and loves it. She will continue to work for the next 20+ years and does not regret not doing it the ‘traditional’ route. She knows she wouldn’t have been able to handle college directly out of high school; she wanted to have children young in order to enjoy life during the later years.
And from my point of view, having a mother who was continually in school while working and taking care of us was inspiring. (and relatable when we were both taking similar college classes!)
I guess my point is, you may feel like you need to get it all done RIGHT NOW because TIME IS TICKING – however education is an investment, and any good investment takes time.
Take a deep breath, find which path feels the best to you and start on it. The path will have some very steep slow uphills, and other very fast downhills, and many twists, curves, and forks. But you will get to your destination in 2 or 10 years.
Good Luck!
grapefruit / 4663 posts
Welcome back! I’d also say what about PA school? I think it might meet most of your desires and while itd be intense, it’s the quickest option to be done. As far as baby number 4 goes if it were me I’d get pregnant asap and have a 6 month old baby when starting school. You can start transtjoning out of the baby phase and do what you need to, to find your love.
pear / 1622 posts
I would love to hear how you balance volunteering at the clinic and home or school and home when you go back to school. My DH is a SAHD now but taking pre-req and applying to an accelerated BSN program now. Once he is in a program, I am a little nervous about how we are going to survive him being in school and 2 kids in daycare. I also wonder if we will move for him to be closer to school and for us to be able to stay close to him. All the programs near us are at least an hour commute for him now one way.
coffee bean / 26 posts
This post is pretty much my life! I got a biology degree when I was young and childless, then went back to school to do an accelerated 2 yr nursing degree. Fast forward to now…I have a 3 month old, an almost 3 year old, and am currently completing my Masters to become a family NP. Doing school with small children underfoot has been very, very difficult; balance is nearly impossible, and the sacrifices are harder than I imagined. My husband works 2 jobs so I can focus on school work and looking after our kids. My older daughter spends a lot of time with her grandparents who love her and do lots of fun things, but looked at me with sad eyes and asked ” where are you sending me today mommy?”. It is so hard! However, it will be worth it in the end. I will be home every night for dinner and homework help, be able to attend every weekend event with my kids, have a great salary, holidays, pension, benefits, and be working at a job I truly love. I have a quote hanging on my wall that helps to keep me going on tough days. ” Never give up on a dream just because of the time it will take to accomplish. The time will pass anyways” -Earl Nightingale
clementine / 948 posts
1. Welcome back!
2. I have a lot of thoughts on nursing school. I’m an adult NP (oncology focus) and work part time. I went the traditional route- BSN undergrad, worked a few years and then part time NP school while working inpatient RN.
My opinions on your life:
-Only you can decide if your family is complete. Will you always regret just having 3? There’s never a good time to add more kids, right? But people make it work. I would probably encourage you to get pregnant ASAP and break that new year’s resolution rather than delay until you’ve completed school
-CRNA vs NP. It depends what motivates you. Is it the acuity of the OR? Or patient relationships? I thrive on the patient relationships, so that’s why I chose NP over CRNA. (And that’s why I chose oncology – there’s a special connection with patients in onc)
-I do recommend working as a RN between BSN and NP. I have worked with NPs (and all PAs) who go straight through without experiencing floor work… and something is normally lacking (at least initially). I think there’s a lot to gain from working on the floor for a few years. Work for a few years as a RN, gradually go back and do NP as part time.
-And, omg, do not become a doctor. Prereqs+4 years med school+3 years residency +3 fellowship = wayyy too much with a family. Especially with zero control over your schedule. I am so happy I chose to be a NP rather than a MD.
I’m happy to chat more if you would like
kiwi / 739 posts
What about a scrub tech? You are all up in the business but not the years and years of schooling. That could be immediate gratification while you have your fourth and then go back to school for CRNA or MD.
pomegranate / 3272 posts
DH is struggling with this right now. He’s a lawyer working as a project manager and he’s miserable. I’ve been asking him for years to figure out what he wants to do. He’s thinking it’s teaching. I don’t know yet what his plan is but we need to talk about it. I”m a bit scared as to what it will all look like and the financial aspect of it but I want him to be happy so we need to figure it out. Good luck!
GOLD / nectarine / 2884 posts
All I can say is YES. I’m in the last semester of a career change program and I honestly feel like my life sometimes is nothing but lose/lose scenarios like the ones you’ve described. It is hard! Life just isn’t designed for “happiness.” I’m starting to feel like happiness is a byproduct and not the goal. A hard pill to swallow.
GOLD / nectarine / 2884 posts
@autumnleaves: I started back to school when my LO was 2 and I was pregnant with 2. While I was pregnant I worked part time, took out student loans, and put LO1 in daycare. After LO2 was born I did the online component of my degree and I am now in my final semester. It is an education degree so I’ve had to do 3 rounds of student teaching. It has been a lot of work! I maxed out my loans on some occasions because I needed childcare but wasn’t pulling enough money from my part time job to cover the cost. Let me know if you have any questions about the balance!
kiwi / 558 posts
So excited to have you back!! Been missing your baby 3 blue posts!! I can’t believe the twins are so big now and little blue is just the cutest!!
No advice but just wanted to give some encouragement to you! Doing what you really love for work is so important.
I was not a a good stay at home mom for 2 years and realized I needed a change. Now I’m doing fundraising for my daughters school and feel invested and happy that I’m hopefully making a difference for her. There are still other things I would like to accomplish but it would mean moving out of state and leaving my husbands more stable money making business behind, which right now just isn’t possible.
I wondered for you about a two year associates degree for something like ultrasound tech? Not sure if you mentioned it in the post but wanted to put it out there!
Big hugs!! Remember if you are ever in Houston, even with all the kiddos to give the Houston Bees a shout for a get together!
pomelo / 5866 posts
I have no advice but I just loved hearing your voice through this post! Such excitement and personality as you experience all that life throws at you.
pomelo / 5621 posts
Good to see a post from you. I can’t believe how big all the boys are! Yikes!
I have no advice but I think that it is great that you are figuring out what you want to do. Yes, you are a mom but one day these kids will be out of the house and you need to be happy with what you are doing.
And who wouldn’t want another baby blue?!
pea / 6 posts
I see some other folks have beaten me to the punch, but I was going to bring up PA school if you hadn’t thought about it, and particularly if the OR is what excites you–lots of opportunities for surgical assisting. I’m a physician a few years out of training, and although there are not many PAs in my particular field, I interacted with a number of great PAs during various surgical specialties during my training. This being said, definitely know folks who have made the nontraditional route through medical school/residency work, including one woman in her 40s when she entered medical school who went into orthopedic surgery (5 year residency) and is loving it. Best of luck in your decisions!
grapefruit / 4455 posts
I work ft and take a class usually, not even as intense as real college and I have two kids, and I try not to be that coworker/friend who ALWAYS says no. Lately, I feel like I’m spread too thin and doing everything and nothing well. I decided to take a class break, albeit just a half quarter, and it has helped. I think sometimes yeah you just have to prioritize and go from there. You could take it slowly and still have another baby. There’s no time limit on school. Good luck!
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I only have a couple minutes, so can’t chime in with a long comment, but just wanted to second the commenter above who said this is one of the best posts on Hellobee in a long time.
Well-written, thoughtful, and thought-provoking- and I think it captures the zeitgeist if you will – what so many of us moms with educations and dreams are going through.
I almost went back for another degree in nursing – but then found myself in human resources management and I love it. Wishing you the best of luck, and let us know what you decide!
Thanks so much for sharing, and great to see you back here!
blogger / pomelo / 5361 posts
@ShootingStar: @Hylidae: @jetsa: I probably need to look at the PA option more, but I sort of discounted it initially because (1) the closest school is 4 hours away, so it would require an immediate move, and (2) a friend that is a PA and one of my nurse friends both told me PAs aren’t favored locally and NPs are much more sought after. Now, that was in general and not particular to a surgical setting, so maybe I need to see if that’s true in that setting locally, too, or not. It’s odd because I’ve read on other sites that PAs are favored, at least in the surgical setting, but I just sort of had it in my head that this wasn’t true here based on my friends assessments of the general PA market here.
blogger / pomelo / 5361 posts
@WyattnewbabysMama: @kate: Ahh, thanks, ladies! Glad it was well-received.
blogger / pomelo / 5361 posts
@autumnleaves: Well, I’ve already been taking prerequisites for a few months, and I can certainly work up a full post about how we are balancing everything, but the summary is (1) my husband is awesome and (2) it sucks.
So, last month, I was volunteering at the clinic (only a few hours a week), working half-time at my “real” job, and taking 7 hours (a 4-hour lab science and a 3-hour non lab) that was being squeezed into a 5-week term, so it was very intense. We had the kids in full-time day care, and I spent literally every hour that I was not working and that they were in daycare studying. On Monday nights, I volunteer at the clinic, so I’m always gone that entire day. DH picks up the kids and takes the whole evening shift since I don’t get home until after bedtime. On normal nights, I either pick up the kids or meet DH at home when he gets the kids. I eat dinner with them, hang out with the family, and help put the kids to bed. Then, I helped DH a little with house stuff or visited with him for a little while. Then, I studied until the wee hours of the morning pretty much every morning. I really hope the nursing program won’t require quite that kind of commitment (since I won’t be working at the time, that frees up a lot of hours to study), but who knows. The bottom line is DH definitely picks up a ton of slack, but our general rule is that it’s okay to dedicate myself to school during the normal daycare hours when I’m not working and then after the boys go to bed. The exception to this was when I was studying for finals.
I will say based on my experience during law school (didn’t have kids, though), that a lot of it seems to be deciding ahead of time what you will and won’t give up. For me, I said I was going to get a 8 hours of sleep every night and go to church on Sunday. Other than that, I would dedicate myself to law school. And while I didn’t stick to that 100% of the time, I pretty much managed to even when everyone else was pulling all nighters, etc. So that’s kind of what we’ve done with our plan for me going back to school. Barring exceptional circumstances or clinicals that prevent it, I will be home and not studying from a little before dinner until kids are in bed. On the weekends, I’ll make sure I spend at least a few hours a day with my family. At the end of the day, my marriage and my kids are the most important thing and DH and I have to figure out together what we’re willing to sacrifice and for how long. I feel for you because I think DH definitely gets the raw end of the deal here, but hopefully, your DH is like me and recognizes exactly how much you guys are sacrificing for us to make this happen and will show his appreciation for your teamwork for many years to come!
grapefruit / 4663 posts
@Mrs. Blue: that school 4 hours away is where I live I believe and that’s how I know about it. A lady I work with’s daughter just graduated from the program a year or 2 ago and she loves it. She was working in the ER but she just changed to an urgent care for an orthopedic surgery center.
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I say start now, you want it. But go the local slow and steady route. You want to stay engaged not self-combust!!
apricot / 422 posts
Thank you for this post!! I am in med school for a second career but didn’t have my baby until during medical school. I love what you said about the OR. I will be applying to Urology residencies this fall (eep!)
There are definitely a lot of ways into the OR, as the previous posters have suggested.
Good luck to you!!