Sleep has been a big concern for us at the Carrot Patch over the past 2 and a half years. As I detailed in my last post, Baby C is easily defined as a “low sleep needs” kid, and shortly after her 1st birthday, she began moving her fall-asleep time later and later. She’s now a little past 3 and a half, and her sleep splits into “weekday” sleep, which includes a nap due to daycare rules, and a specific wake-up time in order for us to manage our commute/work/school schedule; and “weekend” sleep, when we wake up whenever we want and don’t nap. On weekdays, Baby C averages a 10:30-11 PM bedtime, and on weekends, it’s somewhere between 8-9 PM.
This week, I scheduled a follow-up call with a sleep consultant we spoke with to 2 years ago, when Baby C was 18 months old. We were worried at the time that she wasn’t getting enough sleep, and her bedtime was trending later and later. The consultant went over all our routines and practices, and told us that we were doing everything right, and it sounded like Baby C’s biological clock was just set to a later sleep time than most. This time, we wanted to talk about the extremely late bedtime Baby C leans toward during the week. Deep down I suspected that the same answer applies – Baby C’s clock is just set to a later timeline – but I wanted to have an expert tell me that I wasn’t doing something to mess up her sleep.
Thankfully, that’s exactly what we heard in our call. The consultant told us that timing wise, Baby C is sleeping a little less during the week (about 9-10 hours total, including nap) than she is on the weekend (about 11 hours), and that what’s happening is that the nap is giving Baby C an extra energy boost that keeps her awake longer than she otherwise would be without a nap (and why she can go awake ~13 hours on a weekend but goes closer to 14-15 on a weekday). Overall, however, she’s not sleep deprived, and while the late bedtime sucks socially (especially for her morning person mom!), it’s not bad biologically. Her body is just not ready for sleep until late, given the energy replenish of the nap. The most important things are that she’s eating, gaining weight, learning and growing appropriately, all of which is the case with Baby C.
Mr. Carrot and I breathed a sigh of relief after the call, and are officially giving up the fight, which thus far has included trying to wrestle our kid into bed at 9 and then fighting with her for over an hour as she would get up, want to play, want to talk, and do pretty much anything other than being in bed, leading to endless frustration for all of us. There are some things that we’re going to keep doing and start doing, however, to make this night owl of ours a little more manageable as we ourselves are ready to turn in for the night and she’s not quite yet.
- Continue with our calm-down environment approach. The rules in our house are to turn off electronics at 7:30 at the latest, and dim the lights by 8 PM. We turn off half our living room lights and swap central lights for table lamps in our bedrooms. Baby C can continue to play, but the lower lights begin to boost her melatonin and getting her relaxed for bedtime.
- Calm activities after 8 pm. We avoid anything noisy and very active after 8 PM and will continue to do so. Baby C’s room doesn’t have any noise making toys in it, and as she gets older and gets into pretend play and board games more and more, we’ve been aiming to do more of those activities as it gets later in the day.
- Move to PJs and reading time a little later. Currently, we’ve been moving to bath time, PJs and pre-bed reading by 9 PM, and getting Baby C in bed by 9:30, which doesn’t work well with her tendency to fall asleep as late as she does. We’ll aim to move this routine closer to 9:30-9:45, and aim to have her in bed for some wind-down time by 10:15.
- Monitor the cues. As Baby C gets older, she might naturally stop napping at daycare. Unfortunately, we don’t have a way of knowing that, since older classrooms don’t report on daily activities, so we’ve been actively monitoring Baby C for how she’s acting and feeling. Occasionally we notice she’s more tired than not, which usually indicates she didn’t nap or only napped a bit, so we adjust accordingly to get her to bed faster.
- Encourage more independence. Baby C’s room is right next to ours, so as she gets into more play on her own, we aim to leave the room and let her be. Often she wants company, however, so while we don’t want to deny her that, we also want her to be OK on her own so that we can sneak in a little bit of time for ourselves too.
- Take care of ourselves during these late nights. I admit, this rhythm is really hard for me. Mr. Carrot and I are both working full-time, and I’m a strong introvert with a very extroverted job, so I’m usually exhausted by the end of the day and just want some quiet time. I find that on really tiring days, I’m staring at my phone more and trying to distract myself from active interaction, which isn’t fair to my kid. And I’m usually ready to sleep by 10, while my kid is still going strong, so self-care is key. This might mean a little reading time for me while Baby C plays with Mr. Carrot, us taking shifts engaging with her while the other takes a break, etc.
I’m hopeful that if we can find the sweet spot with Baby C’s sleep and remove some of the fighting we’ve been doing at bedtime, we’ll be able to finally get rid of the pacifier, which we’ve been hesitant to take away because it takes her so long to get to bed and she seems completely overwrought without it, and give all of us a better sense of calm. Recommendations for quiet activities to fill up the long evenings are always welcome!
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Jeepers! I’m pregnant with my first and I’m not sure what I’d do if she turns out to have a similar body clock. As a high-sleep-needs adult, I tend to go to bed around 9pm (asleep by 9:30) so that I can get up at 6:30 for work. Now that I’m pregnant, it’s closer to 8:30! What’s a mom to do? You sound very understanding.
cantaloupe / 6730 posts
That would drive me so crazy. Daycare won’t limit the nap at all?
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@Grace: No, they really don’t like to interfere with the kids’ natural rhythms. Which, ironically, the sleep consultant said is good because she usually hears of the opposite problem with daycare cutting naps too early and kids are overly tired. It’s definitely not ideal, but knowing that she’s healthy and this is just how she works is comforting.
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Both of my boys are like this, and I suspect little sister will be as well. It really is so much easier once you let it go. It’s not ideal, but it’s how their little bodies are wired.
cherry / 141 posts
I gave up on the sleep fight with my second. I sleep/nap trained my first and I still get sweats thinking about doing it again. I’m just going with the flow and doing what works best for us which is cosleeping. I’m hoping to transition our second to a crib in our daughter’s room when he’s ready. He’s only 12 months and I’m open to whatever.
pomelo / 5084 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: Lowering the lights to boost natural melatonin is a great idea! I might try that for myself, haha! Don’t get sucked into what everyone claims they do with their kids – gets them into bed by 7:00 pm 7 nights a week so they can have a couples date, etc. etc. I dont believe half of what I hear. Our LO spends evenings with us also because we both work fulltime, and we all go to bed together. It’s fine. You’re doing a great job, mama!
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@wrkbrk: Thank you! I completely agree – different things work for different people. I always knew my kiddo was a night owl (just like her dad!), but the horrified looks I get when I tell people when she goes to bed, I wanted some professional confirmation that I wasn’t messing her up LOL
grapefruit / 4187 posts
What time does she wake up in the morning? Any issues there?
We were able to cut out DS’s (3) nap because we have a nanny and it’s been life changing. He was also pushing back his fall asleep time later and later until finally it was close to 11pm. But at the same time he wasn’t sleeping in past 5am so he was super tired and cranky all day. Cutting out nap made him tired enough to fall asleep by 7:30/8 and now we have our evenings back and DS is much happier!
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@Modern Daisy: If she woke up naturally, she averages between 7-8 AM, but we have to wake her up on weekdays at 6:30-6:45 in order to get her to daycare and us to work. And that can be hard – she does have a hard time waking up, though thankfully she’s usually OK by the time she’s dressed and has breakfast. We’re going to see as get deeper into the year whether we can figure out some schedule shift on our end to leave a little later and give her more time to sleep, though because of the nap at daycare, a later wakeup time also pushes her night time later and we haven’t messed with it as a result.
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When our daughter dropped her nap around age 3, she went from fighting a 9:30 bedtime (and waking at 6:15) to easily going to bed at 7:30/8. Six months later, she goes to sleep at 6:30 and wakes up at 7 am. Sometimes these sleep transitions take time but cutting the nap might help, if daycare will cooperate. What does your pediatrician say?
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@KIE at the risk of sounding trite, you adapt to whatever these tiny humans throw at you. I’m an early bird and by 10 PM I feel dead to the world. I seriously thought I would die when she was an infant because of the lack of sleep. But my body adjusted, and I freaked out every time she went to bed later and later and we adjusted. I definitely am not always understanding, I wish hubby and I were watching tv rather than putting her to bed at 10, but I’ve gotten myself to a place mentally that this is what she needs now and it won’t be forever.
@Sarah, unfortunately daycare won’t mess with the nap, so we’re kinda stuck with it. We try to avoid them on weekends now and life is better for all of us. Our pediatrician always told us it’s just how she’s wired and not to worry about it. We brought it up at every visit and her mantra was always that as long as she’s developing properly, she’s getting what she needs