I didn’t get a chance to read the Wall Street Journal article on French parenting that’s been making the rounds on the internet until yesterday. I knew that it was huge when my mom forwarded me the piece last night — she only reads the Korean newspaper, and has never forwarded me anything in her life!
The article by Pamela Druckerman, an American mother of 3 living in Paris, seeks to discover why French children are so much better behaved than their American counterparts. They don’t throw tantrums. They sit quietly at restaurants. They play independently. They even sleep through the night at 2-3 months of age. French parents appear to utilize two parenting concepts that we’ve recently touched on: benign neglect and executive function.
French parents place a very high importance on benign neglect:
“The most important thing is that he learns to be happy by himself,” she said of her son, Aubane.
It’s a skill that French mothers explicitly try to cultivate in their kids more than American mothers do. In a 2004 study on the parenting beliefs of college-educated mothers in the U.S. and France, the American moms said that encouraging one’s child to play alone was of average importance. But the French moms said it was very important.
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American parents, on the other hand, constantly play with their children:
When American families visited our home, the parents usually spent much of the visit refereeing their kids’ spats, helping their toddlers do laps around the kitchen island, or getting down on the floor to build Lego villages. When French friends visited, by contrast, the grownups had coffee and the children played happily by themselves.
French parents not only practice benign neglect, but they also encourage independent play (which cultivates executive function), and do not hyperschedule their children’s lives:
They assume that even good parents aren’t at the constant service of their children, and that there is no need to feel guilty about this. “For me, the evenings are for the parents,” one Parisian mother told me. “My daughter can be with us if she wants, but it’s adult time.” French parents want their kids to be stimulated, but not all the time. While some American toddlers are getting Mandarin tutors and preliteracy training, French kids are—by design—toddling around by themselves.
French parents reinforce executive function skills not only through independent play, but also through self-control and delayed gratification:
Delphine said that she never set out specifically to teach her kids patience. But her family’s daily rituals are an ongoing apprenticeship in how to delay gratification. Delphine said that she sometimes bought Pauline candy. (Bonbons are on display in most bakeries.) But Pauline wasn’t allowed to eat the candy until that day’s snack, even if it meant waiting many hours.
While Charlie does throw his fair share of tantrums, he’s also increasingly independent, and we can enjoy the company of friends without having to constantly entertain or engage him. But unlike the French parents in the article, I often feel guilty that I’m not spending enough time with my kids, while also feeling guilty that I’m not getting enough work done — and that must affect the way I parent. I think this “guilt” is a pervasive sentiment in our culture that doesn’t exist as much in French culture. That absence of guilt is perhaps what enables French parents to more easily encourage the type of benign neglect (independent play) and executive function (delayed gratification) discussed in the article than American parents.
I don’t know if French parents are superior (Mr. Bee and I have actually been planning on living in Paris for a year when Charlie and Olive are older), but I do believe in benign neglect and executive function and try to incorporate them into the way I parent.
Do you think French parents are superior?
honeydew / 7968 posts
haven’t seen them in action but if that article is correct, i’d say yes. lol.
grapefruit / 4120 posts
Just an anecdote from a yearlong homestay I did in France: the little 7 year old daughter started talking at the dinner table about some (admittedly uninteresting) thing that had happened at school, and the mother stopped her and said, “that’s not interesting.” just one example, but if that’s the kind of parenting it takes to raise a quiet, obedient kid, I’m not interested! I give my babe limits but I want him to feel free and happy to be himself too, even if that means questioning or pushing the limits or taking risks. To me, that’s missing in this other approach.
nectarine / 2886 posts
I’ve found that French parents tend to treat their children like adults and don’t baby them at all. In general, I think French children are quite outspoken, extremely opinionated, and very independent. I don’t know if that makes French parents superior but I agree that their parenting style is different!
guest
In reading the book (which I’m only 4 chapters into as of today), I realize that the “French parent” is one I know of here in the US. They’re my friends and the moms I admire and enjoy. The “typical US parents” are the ones that she describes are the ones I avoid. So I’m not sure if one is superior to the other, but I know where my preferences and desires lie. I just thought I was the weirdo when I was pregnant that I wasn’t freaking out or reading books or going insane. Same thing with every stage since. Now I guess I’d better look into my French ancestry…
grapefruit / 4800 posts
My husband is French (my daughter too) but I’m not. I’ve noticed differences between the parenting styles but I think like most things there’s good and bad about both. I really appreciate the food culture and introducing good foods at a young age and getting baby to sit at meal time. The kids did go to bed better than a lot of families I know over here and adult time is valued. All those things I appreciated a lot and we’ll try to do with our daughter. However, I felt like parents were less demonstrative with affection, a bit too worried about societal norms and rigid despite different personalities, and for those children with different personalities it seemed to take a toll on their families a bit more than here. Also their breastfeeding rates are pretty low compared to the rest of the world, so for that I value nursing more than a 12 hour night rest at 2 months.
honeydew / 7968 posts
@sloaneandpuffy: according to the article, they set the boundaries and let them free within it.
hostess / wonderful honeydew / 32460 posts
French people are skinnier too!
GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts
@chopsuey119: haha. that was my first thought, too.
grapefruit / 4120 posts
@Maysprout: I think what you said about social norms hit it on the head. I think that’s what the whole “ce n’est pas possible” exchange was about, although I don’t think the writer “got” that.
coffee bean / 26 posts
I don’t know any French parents myself, but my friend that was partially raised by her German grandmother said it’s a European technique in general. American or French, either way I like the technique of delayed gratification in teaching children patience. It makes more sense than simply scolding your child after bad behavior.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
I know this is anecdotal, but we’ve been teaching Little Jacks the Harvey Karp “One minute” patience routine… making it longer and longer as she gets older. I would say that most of the time she is more patient than other kids her age, and I can even see her passing the marshmallow test. (though I haven’t tried it yet).
Having said that, I know I still need to work on my helicoptering and spend more time in the benign neglect space!
grapefruit / 4800 posts
@sloaneandpuffy: Yeah I agree, I’m trying to think how it would translate – some combo of ‘well, I never’/’out of the question’ – even the way it’s said is like saying ‘oh, my goodness!’
pear / 1672 posts
Maybe not superior, but after reading the article it seemed very familiar. Many of the same habits, meal times, separation between adults and children’s activities and spheres were very common in my upbringing. My family is not American, so maybe that’s why? At the same time, I suspect that some of this is generational. I don’t think our parents’ generation raised their children they way people are now. I think this cuts across more than culture, but rather it might say something more about this generation of parents.
persimmon / 1255 posts
I’d dare say that my Asian parents raised me the “French” way since tantrums were “pas possible” and we were expected to behave and entertain ourselves.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I am an American living in Europe, and I can tell you first hand parenting is done differently here. I was also raised by European parents in America. I really have to agree with BKCARIBBABY, I believe it’s more generational than anything else. My mom tells me time and time again that I have to teach my son to entertain himself, she’s been saying this since before he was born.
GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts
Before writing this book, the author wrote an article about how to arrange a threesome. Maybe she should stick to that topic instead of trying to write parenting books. I think she’s just trying to piggy back off Tiger Mom.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/02/08/did_bringing_up_bebe_author_paula_druckerman_write_about_her_threesome_.html
I think the popularity of books like hers and Tiger Mom’s just show that Americans have become very insecure about our parenting skills and just can’t stop beating ourselves up about every little thing. Realistically, there are the same percentage of bratty kids all over the world as in the US.
pomegranate / 3053 posts
I don’t necessarily think the French are superior and I do have to agree as well that it’s generational as well. In my opinion, it’s all how you discipline your child(ren) as soon as they can walk. I grew up in a pretty strict household and I liked some of the discipline techniques my parents used on us so I plan on using the same with our kids too. Kids will be kids and will have tantrums and/or meltdowns from time-to-time and I think a lot has to do with how much rest/sleep they get. I find that my son is more well behaved and listens better when he’s slept enough. Makes such a huge difference. Also, exposing your child(ren) to eating out at a young age makes a huge difference too. We enjoy eating out so we’ve been taking our son out since he was 6 weeks old. He now sits in his highchair w/o much complaint for the entire meal. Okay, there are the few occasional “done!” (meaning he wants out!) demands but that’s when he’s been there for a LONG time. Interesting article though. It seems to be all over the news these days.
olive / 63 posts
I think the sad thing about this article was that people thought this was some “new” “French” thing. Asking your children to respect you as an authority figure, asking them to be patient, asking them to play independently, being willing to say a firm “no” – this is just good, disciplined parenting!
@Mrs. Bee. I think you’re right about the guilt thing. I think a lot of parents don’t want to discipline their children because they (a) are so tired from a hard day of work, or (b) feel that they don’t see their kids enough and don’t want to “ruin” their scant time together. (I’m not saying you have this problem, but just that I think it happens to a lot of people.)
grapefruit / 4671 posts
I liked the article because it made me feel normal about the sort of choices I would like to make with our LO when he/she arrives. I’m not American, so I do have a really hard time adjusting to a lot of things that don’t exist in my culture like snacks all the time etc.
kiwi / 538 posts
I think the French do have the right idea when it comes to teaching patience. I have 2 nephews who are 2 1/2 and 4 1/2 and they drive me bonkers with how needy and impatient they are. When they want something, everyone needs to stop what they are doing and tend to them. I think it’s a terrible precedent to set. It especially bugs me when I’ll be in the middle of a conversation with my MIL and one of them will interrupt to tell her or show her something- completely ignoring the fact that she is already busy. My parents never would have allowed that- like the woman in the article she would have said “You need to wait until the adults are done talking” or something to that effect. I know this is something I will definitely teach my kids.
cherry / 230 posts
I honestly had to laugh at this, and I’m really sorry if this comment is going to offend anyone, but this to me is hilarious!
The way I was raised, it still baffles me how kids throw tantrums in stores, or resturants and have every moment of every day specified to them. When I was little I had very few kids around and I spent the majority of my time with my mother’s friends or in my room playing. If I was upset I was sent to my room to calm down, or if we were in public, everything got dropped and I got my cute butt marched back to the car, and we went home.
My half-brothers on the other hand had no issue flipping out in public, and even as a child (only 3 years older) it bothered me.
My son is only 2 weeks and he’s already learning to self-soothe. We put him down drowsy but awake, and let him squak until he sleeps. If he cries for more than a minute we’ll go to him, but any less and he really doesn’t need us. When he’s awake I don’t play with him every moment, he’s usually cuddled up on my lap, in his bouncer or beside me on the couch while I’m doing whatever, and you know what? He’s perfectly content.
I don’t think it’s that the french parent better, I think that over time, Americans and Canadians have just learnt to “over-parent” and try to fix what isn’t broken.
GOLD / olive / 65 posts
I think the issue depends on the parent; not the nationality. I am pretty strict when it comes to my daughter learning to wait and sitting nicely when we’re out to eat. I just insist on it and don’t accept anything else. If she acts up, then I say “when you behave like this, we have to leave.” And off we go. She learned very quickly that her negative behaviors have consequences. Now, she sits nicely and we love going to eat as a family. As for learning to wait, we prevent tantrums and issues by using what I’ve dubbed the “first-then” approach. When I’m feeding the newborn and my daughter asks for something that I can’t do at the moment, I’ll say “OK! We can do that! FIRST I have to finish feeding the baby, THEN we can do (X).” Then, I have her repeat me and I’ll ask “What do we do FIRST?” And she answers me…and then she gets lots of praise. She then will play on her own for the rest of the time. Sometimes I’ll remind her of what we’re doing next by saying, for example “Honey! I’m so excited to get you your chocolate milk when the baby is done eating! It will be pretty soon!” She seems to like that I haven’t forgotten her wishes and that she’s still at the top of my mind. This helps her wait without fuss.
pomelo / 5866 posts
@Andrea: Nice researching.
@hideandseek: That’s some good strategy there!
My 1 year old daughter is on the impatient side, so I appreciate the tips!
kiwi / 718 posts
I definitely think that some aspects of how they handle situations are better than the typical “american” way of them being handled, but I think that there are definitely positives to some of the ways that americans parent, as well. from what I’ve read/heard {and I may be in correct as I’m going solely based off off these articles & subsequent comments}, we seem to be more about helping children develop their creativity & individuality. I think there are positives and negatives on both sides of it & each parent will just have to figure out what works best for them & their child.
bananas / 9973 posts
I haven’t met any French parents per se, but the benign neglect is something I can attest to being raised with by my own parents and I definitely was independent and had to play by myself! My parents also went by the “children should be seen, not heard” belief and I was never really paid much attention to. By contrast, my MUCH younger siblings had constant attention and nannies, and were much more difficult and demanding (my parents’ and relatives testimonies, not mine). Perhaps there is something to it?