In most of the United States, the birthday cutoff for kindergarten is October 1st, September 1st, or even earlier, but in New York City the cutoff is December 31st. Charlie was born in December, and many parents in our neighborhood would choose to redshirt a boy born so late in the year. In his popular book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell asserts that there is a “cumulative advantage” that builds each year for oldest kids, who do better than youngest kids both academically and in sports. Despite that, we’ve always intended to send Charlie to kindergarten on time, which would mean he would only be 4 years and 8 months old. But pending legislation may completely alter Charlie’s education path.
All grown up, and a month away from turning 3!
Earlier this year, Governor Andrew Cuomo signed legislation making kindergarten mandatory for all 5 year olds. Mandatory kindergarten may help level the education playing field in a world where wealthier families can afford to hold their children back one year or send them to private school with earlier kindergarten cutoff dates, while poorer families cannot afford to pay for an additional year of childcare. What’s interesting about an unresolved portion of this bill for us is that the kindergarten cutoff may be changed to December 1st instead of December 31st, which would determine whether Charlie would be the oldest kid in his class, or the youngest. Even if the cutoff isn’t moved, there is a provision that would allow families to apply for a waiver so children with late birthdays like Charlie do not have to start kindergarten before the age of 5. (source)
Boys are typically redshirted more often than girls, because it’s commonly believed that it takes longer for them to mature emotionally and intellectually. I firmly believe we could catch Charlie up intellectually if he were behind by working together at home, so that wouldn’t be a case for us to redshirt. If Charlie seemed emotionally unprepared because he was too young, I might more seriously consider redshirting him. But is being physically smaller just as important a consideration?
I’ve given thought to how Charlie will probably be one of the smallest kids in his class. Last month, Charlie’s cousin, who has a January birthday and would enter school at the same time as Charlie, came to visit. The difference when they stood side by side was stark — Charlie’s cousin was nearly a foot taller! Since Charlie is such a picky eater and his friends are already all taller than him, it gave me a glimpse as to how small Charlie would be compared to the kids in his kindergarten class with early birthdays.
I was always the shortest, or one of the shortest kids in my class growing up. I was teased about it and I always wished I were taller, but as a girl, it didn’t affect me nearly as much as it might a boy. I’ve talked to men who were late bloomers, and some of them have told me about the insecurities they had about being the smallest ones in their class; they wonder how different their lives might have been if they’d been redshirted. Then again, my brother was always one of the shortest ones in his class, and I don’t think it really affected him because he has such a big personality. Charlie has a big personality, so I’ve always assumed that he’d be fine being the smallest too.
I think there is a case to be made for being the oldest, however. When Charlie is around kids the same age or younger, he is usually the leader. When he’s around older kids, he’s happy to be the follower. Will the decision whether or not he’s the youngest or oldest determine whether or not he’ll be a follower or leader? My brother actually has a January birthday and was still one of the smallest kids, so an extra year to grow may not even affect Charlie anyway. But because my brother was the oldest in his class, perhaps he had an emotional and intellectual advantage that enabled him to be a leader — a trait that has continued into his adult life.
The opposite of redshirting — redpanting!
While most people are aware of the perceived advantages of redshirting, detractors believe redshirting actually puts your child at a disadvantage:
In the academic arena, advantages are seen not for older students, but for those who are young for their year. In a large-scale study at 26 Canadian elementary schools, first graders who were young for their year made considerably more progress in reading and math than kindergartners who were old for their year (but just two months younger). In another large study, the youngest fifth-graders scored a little lower than their classmates, but five points higher in verbal I.Q., on average, than fourth-graders of the same age. These studies are consistent with the idea that the source of increased opportunity in this case is school itself, with effects that are most favorable to students who are surrounded by children older than themselves. (source: wikipedia)
Older children may also become bored with the curriculum if it’s too easy, which may in turn cause behavioral problems.
If the birthday cutoffs don’t change, Charlie will be heading to kindergarten when he is 4 years and 8 months old. If they do change to December 1st but Charlie is still eligible to enter kindergarten at 4 at our discretion, we will send him. If they change and Charlie cannot start kindergarten until he’s 6, well there isn’t really anything we can do about that because private school cutoffs are all before December 1st.
I’m not sure where I stand on the redshirting debate because I think Charlie will be ready for kindergarten even if he isn’t 5. But my opinion might change if I felt he weren’t ready, particularly as it pertains to emotionally maturity.
If your son had a December birthday and you had the option to redshirt, would you? Why or why not? If you had a late year birthday, do you wish you had been redshirted?
grapefruit / 4669 posts
I have a summer birthday and was always one of the youngest in the class, but I never minded! I was always at the top or pretty close to the top of my class, particularly in the younger years. If you decide that he’s ready at 4 years, 8 months then I would go for it and not let size be a deciding factor (what if you wait a year and he’s still on the small side compared to others? it’s hard to regulate things like that, and everyone gets made fun of for something as a kid).
kiwi / 542 posts
There was a thread on this recently on the TTC boards… To be honest I was always the youngest in my year, ALWAYS. I started elementary school at 4 and loved it.
I was always top of my class and graduated high school in the top 2 percentile of the country. I speak three languages fluently and out of my siblings am the “highest achieving” if you want to take standard measures. So, the long and the short of it is, I think home life + individual personality are far bigger factors than age differences.
You seem very invested in your children’s health and development (No surprise there, you run a blog on it!) so I am sure you will make the right choice for your child and offer him the best support either way.
I suppose because of my own experiences I am pretty sceptical of blanket assumptions like this one
Good Luck with your choice!
kiwi / 542 posts
here is the other post if you are interested in it…
http://boards.hellobee.com/topic/august-baby-syndrome-what-do-you-think
pomegranate / 3314 posts
Good for you for thinking critically about the issue of “redshirting”. Something about it doesn’t sit right with me – like parents are managing things a little TOO much. I was young for my year and so was my husband and we both did well at school, both socially and academically, so I guess I don’t really get it.
blogger / pomelo / 5361 posts
I commend you for analyzing it based on how Charlie will do, rather than just a perception of how kids generally do or don’t do. Of course, if the law ends up giving you no options, there’s no decision to worry about!
Both in my teaching days and in my personal life, I get so frustrated by people who redshirt just because their child will have a late birthday, so they’ll be bigger for sports, etc., without considering other factors. My niece was redshirted because (1) she had a June birthday and my SIL’s sister had a summer birthday and was always really immature for her class, and (2) they wanted her to be bigger for sports. Unfortunately, she is much bigger than her classmates now, which I think adds to how self-conscious she is about her size. Further, academically and socially she would be fine in the class above her.
I have a June birthday as well, and always tested at the top of my class even though I was one of the youngest. I would have been so, so bored had I been a class behind.
All this to say, it really has so much to do with the individual child and how involved the parents are if their child does end up needing some extra help getting caught up academically. I know Charlie will do great whenever he ends up starting!
kiwi / 538 posts
I started kindergarten at 4 (my birthday is in Nov) and I don’t think it really ever affected me academically. I was in the gifted program starting in 3rd grade and in honors classes all through high school. The only times I cared were when I was 16 and everyone else could drive before me and 21 when everyone else could drink before me!
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
I would have to have a strong reason to believe that my child was lagging behind developmentally in order to “red shirt” them. Where I grew up the cut off was Sept 1st. My brother and I both have mid July birthdays so we were both always close to the youngest people in our class. We both excelled academically. My brother was a little on the small side for his class (but he’s a generally smaller guy, only 5’10” now as an adult). So had he wanted to play football he probably would have had it rough. But he played tennis and was a wrestler and did quite well in both sports. So for us there would have been no benefit to “red shirting”. That being said I love that my Nov baby will be one of the oldest in their class (because of our Sept 1st cut off) not for any good reason, just because when I was in school I was jealous when my friends got their driver’s license before me and turned 21 before me : )
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
I was the oldest in my grade because the cutoff is Sept. 1 here and my birthday is the 19th . I actually totally hated it. The kids in my grade were nearly a year younger than me, so I made friends with kids who were the grade above me because we were a lot closer in age. It was hard for me though whenever they would “graduate” (move into middle school, or HS or college) because I’d be “left alone”.
But those are things you can never anticipate. My mom also didn’t have the option necessarily, but if she had I don’t know that she would have let me go to school early anyway. I learned to read at 5 years old and was motivated academically because I wanted to catch up with my older siblings. I think I would have done fine.
It’s a hard decision for sure and I hope I don’t have to make it.
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I have a May birthday and didn’t start kindegarten until I was 6, my parents held me back because they didn’t think I was ready for school at 5. As a result, I was always the oldest in my classes – not the biggest as I was and am a generally small person – and did very well acedemically, graduating 4th in my class and now work as an engineer.
I’m not sure if being older helped me or not, maybe. There are certainly more factors involved in acedemic performance than age.
I have a two year old with an October birthday and in CA the laws about cut-off date are chaging, too. The cut off date when she’s 4 will be September 1, so we won’t be sending her to kindegarten until she’s 5- almost 6.
Probably because I was “reshirted” myself, I am happy that my daughter will be older for her class – it worked well for me, so it will be fine for her, too. But I am not sure I would have held her back if the cut-off date was December 1. I think it really depends on the child.
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We actually had our son start kindergarten early. He was 4 and turned 5 in January. He’s the youngest and the shortest. He’s now in first grade. He’s doing very well academically, but he’s still young and immature. He gets along with all his classmates who range from 5-7 years old. Along with his teacher, we work together to help him in any way and give him reminders of how to behave in a classroom.
Kindergarten to first grade is such a big transition in a young person’s life. It helps most when everyone is involved.
The only concerns I have had are with other parents who were surprised my son was so young and questioned our decision to start him early.
cherry / 155 posts
We live in a state with a Sept. 1st cut-off and we have an August toddler boy. I don’t think anyone can decide what is right for your child except for you with input from educators. I think if I didn’t have a boy who will be the youngest in his class, I would have a different opinion.
) so if there is something you can do to perhaps give them a slight edge— I think we would all at least consider it.
Every parent wants the best for their child (socially, academically, athletically, artistically- all the ally’s
I really appreciate this post! We plan on sending our little guy on time to Kindergarden, but he’s only 15 months now so we are keeping our minds open.
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
This is an issue for Wagon Jr. as well since he’s a fellow December baby. The cutoff for public preschool here in MA is that they have to be 2 years and 9 months old on the first day of school. Since the first day of school will pretty much always fall before September 11th (the day that Wagon Jr. turns 2 years, 9 months) and I don’t believe they technically allow redshirting here, Wagon Jr. will always be the oldest in his class. He is short as well, so it might be to his advantage that all the kids in his class will be younger than him.
I was always the shortest in my class too (I got dubbed the nickname “Tiny Tina”, but obviously I’ve sprouted since then!) and even though it was annoying, it wasn’t a huge issue for me.
My brother is a December baby as well but the cutoffs were different back then, or he skipped kindergarten, because he was always the youngest in his class. We’re 2 years, 2 months apart but he was always 3 school years above me. He was really picked on for being small. He actually played in Little League teams with MY classmates because he was so small.
Right now since we’re in a private preschool / daycare, he’s straddled classes. He went from being the oldest in the youngest room (toddlers) straight to being the youngest in the young 3s room (skipping over the toddler nursery). It’s weird because he’s in the young 3s room and he’s not even 3 yet. The first issue we’ve come across is that his language is not as developed as others since this is right around the time they start speaking a lot, so he can get frustrated and be physical instead of using his words.
Otherwise we haven’t come across any huge issues. I’d love for him to be the oldest in his class because of all the academic advantages, but I also want him to be challenged. I was not challenged in public school and was always told I was smart, so I never tried hard and always got mediocre grades.
I have so much research to do regarding preschool and kindergarten :T
blogger / nectarine / 2010 posts
Maddox has a December birthday, but our cutoff is September 30th. He’ll start school when he’s nearly 6 years old, which seems really late to me. I would prefer for him to go earlier. I don’t want him to be bigger and feel like he has to excel at sports just because of his size. I think being the oldest in the class comes with a lot of pressure. I was one of the youngest in my class and preferred it that way. Although, don’t we usually prefer how we did things?
Conversely, we’re looking at preschools right now and I would prefer for him to start preschool later so that he’s there for two years instead of three. I want him to be in the loving home environment of daycare for several years. I think that has to do with my not liking structured days; I’d prefer that he goes to the park and does fun stuff with daycare when he wants to, and to wait a while before he adheres to daily schedules.
honeydew / 7488 posts
Here in TX our cutoff is Sept 1. I have both a youngest and an oldest. DD will barely make the cutoff as a laaate August baby, and DS will just miss the cutoff as an early September baby. In DD’s case, I have no qualms sending her into school as a young one, since she is a girl, and pretty emotionally mature (so far as I have noticed). I plan to talk to her pre-school teachers next year before she enters Kinder just to make sure we all agree she is ready.
DS will be almost 6 before entering school. It does seem really old, when if had been born just 9 days earlier, he would be entering Kinder a year earlier. Some parents of early September kids opt to send their child to private school which has no cutoff limit and then get them back into the public schools that way after a year or 2. We plan to take a wait and see approach Great topic, lots of debate amongst the parents of school aged kids on this one.
ETA: but you know what does worry me? When my young DD gets to high school and her classmates are practically 2 yr older (red-shirted) hormonal boys!! Ack!!
squash / 13764 posts
My birthday is Dec. 31st, so here in NYC I was always the youngest kid in my class! It never really affected me academically or socially; the only time it was really annoying was when I was the last person to turn 21 in college (literally the LAST person). LO has an October birthday, so assuming we do public school in NYC (and they don’t change the cut off), he’ll be on the younger side. I would only red shirt if there were significant signs that he wasn’t ready (more emotionally than academically, as I think we could do extra work with him to help him catch up).
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My birthday is October 30th. I started school youngest, but my skills devloped differently than the other students (reading behind, math ahead) and my mom faught the school until they held me back in 3rd grade. I am a very confident leader. I never thought about how that may have affected me to become this way…. but I think it may have! Very interesting how arbitrary things will affect our personality. (such as school cut-offs)
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@jordan – my birthday is oct 30 too!
blogger / pear / 1964 posts
In Upstate NY, the cutoff is September 1st, so with my January 4th birthday, I was in the middle of grade when it came to age range.
DH and I have both read Malcom Gladwell, and we joke that our November baby will never be a hockey player – luckily, we’re more than okay with that.
I think the child by child approach is best – you know your kid better than anyone – if they’re ready, send them, if not, then wait a year.
kiwi / 511 posts
Honestly I think as long as you are thinking about your child you will make the right decision. I was 5 starting kindergarten and turned 6 in November so I was always one of the oldests (and shortest if that helps!) and it was the right fit for me.
My little sister was a July birthday, she repeated the 1st grade because my parents sent her to school too early they should have redshirted her but she was a social kid and smart (both of my parents are now retired teachers). She hated it and by holding her back and repeated the 1st grade there was no stigma because kids don’t think about oh so and so repeated the grade. She went on an was valedictorian of her class, competed at a division1 college (with a scholarship) and had a double major of marketing and finance.
You are going to get anctedotes either way ….go with your instinct as a Mother/Father duo when considering your own child and you will be just fine.
pomegranate / 3643 posts
I am an August baby and am sooooo glad I wasn’t red shirted. I wish my parents had let me skip a year, really. I would have been bored even more if I had been held back. I graduated top of my class. But I think it really has to be on a case by case basis. My SIL is also an August baby, but she was held back and it was probably a good choice for her.
There was a kid I went to school with who had a disorder that made him reallllly short. His parents held him back a year so he would be closer to others. But I think academics are more important.
honeydew / 7444 posts
I was a December baby and started Jr. Kindergarten (an Ontario thing) when i was 3 years 8 months and i’m glad my parents didn’t hold me back. All they care about is the year in which you turn 4 years old.
Hubs was also a small kid, but i don’t think it would have mattered if he waited another year…he still would’ve been one of the small kids! Luckily his personality makes up for it and wasn’t picked on as much as he would have if he were a pushover.
clementine / 814 posts
December 1st baby here. I believe the cut off here was or might still be December 5th. I started school at 4.5 years old and graduated at 17.5. I never noticed a difference in myself – size and level of learning.
The only time it stuck out and sucked was when graduation day came most of my friends were 18 and heading to Mexico to celebrate! Now that I think back its probably a good thing I wasnt able to join!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
You may know that I was a skipper. I was also the tiniest person, not only in my own class, but in the class below (I was 30 lbs in 3rd grade). I never regretted being a skipper or being the tiniest (though being small may be more hard for boys… everyone just thought I was adorable).
I say this not to encourage skipping, but just to say that I think the advantage of age is overstated (despite what Gladwell says). I think I would have been more bored and less likely to push myself in my studies if I had been grade appropriate.
Hope this helps reassure you about your decision
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This whole redshirting thing is foreign to me. I started school at 3 years, 11 months. Here (in Ontario) I think the cut off is December 31st, and Camo’s birthday is Jan 24. He’s already going to be one of the oldest kids in his class starting at 4 years 7 months, and that worries me as it is. There isn’t anything I can do, because there is no way he can start school earlier, but he’s going to be one of the oldest kids in his class. I fear that the younger kids some nearly a whole year younger will actually hinder him rather than help him. Guess I’m just backwards.
blogger / nectarine / 2687 posts
this is a topic that i think about ALL. the. time. for us, too, we are most likely going to move forward with sending lil’ CB to school on time. however, i know that he will likely struggle with some things…like sitting still as long as the other kids or his fine motor skills, etc, because those are developmental skills, and not so much strictly related to emotional maturity or academic skills. i see it in my own students, but in my mind, it’s not enough to keep lil’ CB from going to school for an additional year.
pomegranate / 3716 posts
Such an interesting post, I’ve never heard of the term “red shirting”!
cherry / 226 posts
My LO will be 6 in kinder. Our state mandates that they be 5 yrs old by the 1st day of school. He is a Nov baby. So I have no choice.
But from a kindergarten teacher’s perspective….I noticed that older kids do much better academically because they are more mature and can handle the challenge and rigor of kindergarten, they also have better speaking and social skills. As a teacher, no matter what age the child is, I try to make sure to meet their needs and I would hope my child’s teacher does the same.
bananas / 9227 posts
If your son had a December birthday and you had the option to redshirt, would you? Why or why not?
I would be concerned if my son was the smallest one in class. But if he was cognitively advanced, I would be more concerned about him being bored if we waited. I’ve seen behavioral problems develop over time when a child’s more advanced than his peers and thus, gets bored in class. There was a boy that was previously home schooled, but then his parents decided to put him into a public Jr. HS. He started off as an ideal student: caring, compassionate, helpful, all around wonderful personality. As the months passed, he got mischievous, rebellious, and inconsiderate. He quickly learned that he didn’t want the extra work offered to him and could afford to goof-off in class because he wasn’t challenged.
I know that comparing a Jr. HS previously home schooled student is very different from redshirting a kindergardener, but after seeing that drastic change in my student’s behavior, the real possibility of behavioral problems is something I would personally take into consideration.
But I have a feeling that my DH would opt for waiting. Having a late winter birthday is coveted here. It seems to be generally accepted that being a few months younger than your classmates (at that early age) leaves a child highly disadvantaged. DH’s very shy and quiet, but born in Feb and was ginormous for his age. However, that didn’t stop him from being bullied, but his size helped him to better stand up for himself.
In the end, it would all depend on my son’s temperament and personality. So even if he’s a little advanced cognitively, I won’t be able to ignore the fact that he is much smaller and less mature than some of his classmates. If he’s a calm, easy-going kid, we’d wait. It’s interesting because everything I wrote goes out the window for our DD. I don’t think that being the smallest in class as a girl has the same importance as it does for a boy. If DD is emotionally and mentally ready, she’ll go.
pomelo / 5331 posts
It’s an interesting topic. LO is due in February, so we don’t have to worry about this right now, but I was an late-August baby when the cutoff was Sept. 1, so I was just barely 5 when I started kindergarten. While most of my classmates were turning 6 throughout the school year, I wouldn’t turn 6 until right before first grade. I didn’t excel at sports, but I don’t believe I ever would have. I had some social issues — excessive talking, general awkwardness — but that’s still part of my personality today so I’m not sure it would have been any better if we’d waited a year. Academically, I always excelled. While my teachers hated how much I talked, they couldn’t deny that I was always ahead in reading and writing and general creativity. I continued to excel throughout school and never had any academic problems whatsoever. So based on my own experiences, if we had to decide, I probably wouldn’t redshirt. I just think that a kid’s personality is a kid’s personality and I don’t know that when they start school changes that.
blogger / pomegranate / 3300 posts
My oldest son was born in November. I have been worried about this since he was born. But last year in Los Angeles they changed their date from December to September. Now it’s not really my choice. Although that outs my November 2008 son in the same grade as my July 2009 twin boys.
Sorry in advanced teachers here come my triplets!!
GOLD / papaya / 10206 posts
I’m an Ontarian too, and this is something we never deal with either. You go into school based on the year you were born. My entire class what born in 85 regardless of when their birthday was in the year.
blogger / persimmon / 1398 posts
While I don’t have a December baby, I do have a kiddo born a month and a half before the cut-off. A kiddo who isn’t even on a growth chart he’s so tiny. That said, he’s really, really smart…so we are sending him to kindergarten next year… and he’ll just be the little guy with the big personality. We were super concerned about sports for a while as well, but he’s made it clear that his sport of choice for now is Taekwondo, which really makes any concern we had null and void. I wish red-shirting wasn’t even an option! I’d have more time to worry about other issues!
GOLD / wonderful apricot / 22646 posts
The only reason I’d consider red-shirting if there were major developmental signs that LO needed to be red-shirted.
I came from Korea when I was 6/7 and because my parents and teachers didn’t know how slow or fast I’d pick up English, they put me in first instead of second grade. I was always old for my grade and I really hated it for the most part! I didn’t like being the oldest, I didn’t like taking all advanced classes all the time, and honestly, I just wanted to be the same age as all my friends.
It’s a wash now that I’m well out of school age, but that’s just how I felt going through grade school.
LO will be a Nov baby so this is something we’ll def have to consider. Will he be the oldest or one of the youngest?
persimmon / 1255 posts
LO’s birthday is Dec 2nd, which is also the cutoff in our state so she will literally be the youngest in her class. I’m not a big believer in redshirting cause I would rather kids be challenged than to be bored. As it is, LO is picking up stuff much faster than her peers so I’m not worried.
clementine / 911 posts
I have a late September birthday and squeezed in under the cut-off because I was in private school. I actually started pre-school when I was 3 and kindergarten when I was 4. It never hindered me in any way. At one point, the school wanted to skip me up another grade, but my parents said no–I think that was the right decision. I ended up taking lots of honors and AP classes and graduated high school 5th in my class.
I really think it depends more on the individual kid rather than the birthday. My mom said I used to cry to go to school because I wanted to learn how to read so badly. Other kids might not be ready quite as early as I was.