Okay, so we’ve decided to sleep train. Now how to go about it? I have never felt good about Cry it Out as a way to teach babies to sleep. I think this is for two reasons: 1) all the books I’ve read tell me that it can be damaging to the babies and their ability to thrive (obviously, I wasn’t reading pro-CIO books), and 2) I don’t like the attitude of a lot of parents who advise me to just “leave them to scream, it’s the only way they’ll learn.”
My oldest daughter taught herself to sleep, so I know that it’s not the only way for every baby. Wonder Baby, however, had rejected all the attachment parenting methods of falling asleep, and had never slept through the night in her 11 months of life. Was leaving her to “scream” the only option left, or could I find something more in line with my parenting style that would still work? I decided that at 11 months I was comfortable with some level of crying, but I was worried about Wonder Baby’s separation anxiety at this stage.
Sleep Sense
After some online sleep consultant research, I came across The Sleep Sense Program. Sleep Sense was created by Dana Obleman, who is a BC (woot!) local and sleep expert who claims a 93% success rate with babies and little kids. She trains consultants who can work with your family for $400 and has an online program you can get for $67. $67 is a lot less than $400, but still more than a book (especially a library book, which is how I roll). On the other hand, I’d read a ton of sleep books, and we’re still waking up every hour.
I read some information on the site and then filled out the “get a free sleep report” form. A short time later I was given a moderately interesting form report that was tailored to my answers but didn’t tell me anything earth shattering. At the bottom of your report, you’re given a link to a special offer. Once you get to the bottom of a rather “As seen on TV!” sales pitch, you can buy the program for the low, low price of $29. If you act now! and buy it in the next 24 hours. Now $29 is quite reasonable, but the “too good to be true” sales pitch made me very wary. I spent the rest of the evening doing research and reading reviews and the upshot seemed to be that Dana was legit and that most people really liked her program. I guess she just needs to try a little less hard on the sales pitch. I went ahead and paid the $29. Here’s what I got for my money:
– An e-book with some sleep info and her sleep training plan, broken down for different ages.
– A workbook with printable logs to track your progress.
– A set of videos to watch every day for the 14 days of the program, as well as some additional videos on specific subjects.
Now, I have seen the e-book being passed around on various online forums that will remain nameless (but are not Hellobee!), and I would really encourage you to go ahead and buy the program rather then getting a copy from someone online because:
1) Piracy is illegal
2) I think the videos are really great. Seriously, it’s part of the reason the program is working so well for me. Dana is very supportive and encouraging; it’s the closest you can get to having an actual sleep consultant, without paying for one. I love my morning pep talk about the night before, and she’s talked me into trying things that I might not have if I had just read the book (and that totally worked).
3) Paying money makes people more likely to commit and take it seriously. It’s a mind game, but it’s true.
How We’re Using The Sleep Sense Program
We’re using the 7-12 month old section and have chosen the “Stay in the Room” method. What this means is that I do the bedtime routine but don’t let her fall asleep. I then put her awake in her crib so that she learns to fall asleep. This was a bit distressing (ie, tears) for her as she was learning to fall asleep without my help, but I felt that it was a lot better having me in the room so that she wasn’t also freaking out about being abandoned. You are allowed to pick them up or reassure them with touch, but Wonder Baby would just get more upset when I did that so I just talked or sang to her from in the room. So yes, it’s crying, but it’s not the classic cry it out where you just leave. She does have an option to “leave and check” if that works better for your baby/family. We’re going to have to switch to that tonight as Mr SH is back to work and I have both girls.
Because Wonder Baby is 11 months old, we are sleep training for nap and nighttime together as well as fully night weaning. She’s old enough to handle it, and I didn’t want to drag it out, especially as I was sure I couldn’t keep us awake for night feedings as the program recommends. The program is 14 days long with daily videos to watch every morning. We are currently on day 5, and Wonder Baby slept 12 hours night before last! After a week of being up every 1.5 hours (before we started), it’s pretty much a miracle. She has also had a couple morning naps in her crib, which I had written off as impossible at 6 months. I’m keeping a journal, so I’ll give you a break down of how it went when the 14 days are done.
Is Sleep Sense for you?
Sleep Sense is a pretty middle of the road program. There is some crying involved, so if you aren’t comfortable with that I would continue to try some other methods. If you’re hoping your baby will just outgrow being a bad sleeper, Dana says they probably will… at 3-5 years old. There’s no way I could keep being chronically sleep deprived for 4 more years; my kids deserve better from me. However, I don’t know that I would have been willing to use this method when she was still more of a little baby.
Sleep Sense also requires you to commit to a schedule. It’s not super strict, but you do have to make napping at home a priority and to keep naps and bedtime fairy consistent, especially for the first two weeks as you get good sleep habits established. There isn’t much in the program that’s super revolutionary, but the way it’s laid out makes sense and… it’s working for us. It’s good to be getting some sleep!
cherry / 236 posts
I am anxious to hear updates from you in the future. We started sleep training, but stopped pretty quickly because my LO was teething and was pretty miserable. We plan on trying again in the next few weeks. Sounds like things are going really well for you!
blogger / pomelo / 5361 posts
Interesting! I’d never heard of Sleep Sense before your last post, so I’m interested to read about the rest of your experience!
blogger / persimmon / 1398 posts
Good luck!!! We did the sleep sense program back when S came home… And it really did turn things around for us. Unfortunately, he’s still not a great sleeper… But we went from almost constant nighttime wakings to one or two a night. Huge steps!
GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts
12 hours already? Amazing. Yay sleep!
GOLD / nectarine / 2884 posts
This sounds wonderful! I hope and feel that it will work out! Keep us updated!
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Congrats! I’ve been following your posts because our children are around the same age, and we have the same sleep issues (well, not as bad as you’ve had them!) Our LO can fall asleep on her own just fine… but still wakes up a lot to nurse. Sometimes I will let her cry a little, and she will go back to sleep. Sometimes she will start full on screaming, and I am not a fan of CIO, so off I go to save the day (night). Do you think that this program would work with our issues– baby can fall asleep on her own, but still wakes up (on a bad night, every other hour, on a good night, only 1-2)?
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
I’m glad it’s working so far and look forward to hearing more.
I don’t want this to come off the wrong way at all – you know me and know I would never intentionally be catty or snarky but your comment in this post really upset me: “I don’t like the attitude of a lot of parents who advise me to just “leave them to scream”. It just makes it sound as if all of us who did CIO wanted to hear our babies scream and did it very coldly and callously.
I wrestled with the decisions to CIO for months, Cobi was on a sleep pattern just like WB for three months and we were all so unhappy. I was depressed and actually hating being a new mom. It wasn’t about hearing my child scream, it was about helping him learn to fall asleep. I broke every sleep-training rule by comforting and picking him up when I felt that he truly needed me. I never just left him in his room to scream and I DID do it out of love- AND I’m not just saying that to justify what I did. Just please don’t group all of us sleep-training mamas into one category – a one size fits all because it really wasn’t like that at all. I respect anyone who doesn’t want to do CIO just as I respect anyone who’s taken the plunge and done it.
Oh – and your method actually sounds similar to the sleep lady shuffle! I think it involves staying in the room and being present while the child learns to fall asleep on their own. We tried that but it only made him livid knowing we were there and not rescuing him. Leaving the room worked best for him and now he goes to sleep within 5-10 minutes of being laid down completely awake.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts
It sounds like a good program!
blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts
Oh, I so hope things continue to improve and you get the rest you deserve!
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Crying is a baby’s ONLY means of communication for many months. There is a HUGE difference between letting the babe go red in the face screaming, and letting them work some things out on their own for a bit. You will know the difference between a real cry (I’m wet, I pooped, I hit my head, etc.) and a, “Hey, I woke up and am all alone in here” cry…. You just need to decide whether you want a 2, 3, 5, 8 yr old who can’t put themselves back to sleep after the numerous nightly wakings we all have.
GOLD / pear / 1845 posts
Jude – I’ve decided to night wean as I do the program, I think it’s the only way she’ll learn to sleep well at this point. She’s 11 months so I knew she could, and she’s doing really well, I haven’t night nursed for 9 nights now. So, yes, for me it’s helped.
GOLD / papaya / 10206 posts
So happy things are looking up for you and your family!!! Also, can I give you a high five for saying out loud that Piracy is illegal too? lol!!! I have no vested interestest in anything with publication rights, but it makes me cringe when people share content that should be paid for like that.
grapefruit / 4671 posts
@Mrs. Pen: I knew all akong that if DD wasn’t ab;e to fall asleep on her own I would sleep train her, and although I didn’t wrestle with teh decision for a long time, I researched it a huge amount and was comfortable with it. So like you, the comment rubbed me completely the wrong way too.
GOLD / pear / 1845 posts
@Mrs. Pen: @plantains:
I am very sorry that I wasn’t clear in what I said. Let me try to explain, because I certainly don’t intend to cause a ruckus here. There are parents who give me unwanted advice about my children’s sleep. When I talk about how my girls have any sleep issues I have been told verbatim to “let them scream, it’s the only way they learn”. It’s rude to me and a callous way to talk about your baby. Because I’ve had these conversations a few times, it turned me off of researching CIO because I didn’t want to be like those parents. Therefore, I only read sleep books that reinforced the ideas I already had about no-cry, rather than being open to the idea of CIO in any form. Does that make sense? If there is anything having two kids has taught me, it’s that children are very different, and what works for one will not always work for another (even in the same family!). I consider the Sleep Sense program to be a gentle form of CIO, which I am convinced was the only way I would be able to get Wonder Baby to sleep. Some babies do better if you leave the room. They’re all different, and I’ll only judge you if you take the quick way of dealing with sleep without care for your baby’s personality or any thought as to what might be best for your family. And I don’t think that applies to anyone here, as the nature of the site means that we’re trying to be the best parents we can!
GOLD / pear / 1845 posts
CASEY – I completely agree, like I said in my post, it seems that most babies don’t outgrow sleep issues until they’re 3-5 years old, which is a long time to subject your family to it. And I think that the older your baby is, the easier it is to understand their crying “language” which is a reason why I found it much easier to let her cry a bit now at 11 months than I would have when she was tiny.
GOLD / pear / 1845 posts
@prettylizy: high fives!
grapefruit / 4671 posts
@Mrs. Superhero: oh, I see what you mean. Fair enough. Sorry I was probably being oversensitive.
cherry / 205 posts
I’m glad to hear Wonder Baby sleep is improving. My LO night sleep has been very similar to Wonder Baby. My LO is 7.5 months and we just recently have decided to sleep train using our own version of CIO. And as it turns out, it is very similar to the sleep sense program. The problem we are having is that she’s still waking up 1-3 times in the middle night. I’m going to continue to follow this because we might just need to buy this program to try to resolve her sleep problems once and for all.
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Thanks so much for this post. I’m finally ready to sleep train and this has turned out to be a great option for me. By the middle of next month I hope to be sleeping again!
pomegranate / 3225 posts
Okay, I’m going to try it. LO went from STTN to now up multiple times and we HAVE to get her off the paci, but I can’t bear CIO yet…
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Hey please can anybody please send me the sleepsense program as I am having real issues with my baby sleep patterns. As I am alone and also starting to study so really I hardly get 3hrs of sleep so please if any one can help
Btw my baby is 3 months.
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@Mrs.Superhero: How did this sleep training work for you long term? Can you give an update? I’m thinking about trying this method. We did another method earlier that worked for about 2 weeks, then our son got sick and the same method doesn’t work anymore. My son is 13 months, so it has been a long time with little sleep and I’m hoping to improve things at least a little before he is 3 or 4 years old. Thank you so much for your post! I hope your little one and whole family are sleeping well these days.
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Thanks for the honest review. We also had apprehensions about signing up for the program, but are glad we did. We paid more for the package with the videos, so the price must have gone up
For those who are curious, you can get a free preview at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H54IZOC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789& and also buy the basic Kindle version for less than $10 without the workbook or videos.
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I found out you can also get a free sleep report here http://www.sleepsense.net/share.html?p=sleepbabysleep&w=assess. It will give you lots of great advice without even having to buy the program. Thanks for the review!
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It is an amazing program and I can recommend it to everyone! This is the official site http://www.sleepsense.info
Good luck!!