The flu really needs no introduction. We all know the symptoms – fever, chills, a cough, and body aches. It strikes fast and it hits hard. And when I’m talking about the flu, I’m referring to influenza and not the stomach flu. Some people use the word “flu” interchangeably, but they’re totally different bugs. Influenza is a respiratory virus that usually becomes prevalent in the fall and winter months. The stomach flu (or gastroenteritis) on the other hand involves nausea, vomiting, cramping, and sometimes a fever for a day or two.
Around this time each year, we start hearing about influenza and seeing ads and warnings to get our yearly flu shot. Being a nurse and having worked in a hospital setting for a couple of years, I’ve been getting my annual flu shot for quite some time. I’ve never experienced any side effects or problems from the vaccine other than a little bit of a sore arm for a few days. And I’ve never gotten the flu. So in my book, it’s definitely been worth getting vaccinated.
It’s one thing to make decisions about your own health though, and totally another to make decisions for your child. Though I was happy to get my annual flu shot, I hadn’t really thought about vaccinating Little Deer. Now that flu season has started, I really need to get on it. I’ve seen first-hand children that were hospitalized from the flu and it definitely weighs heavy on my mind. Though modern medicine has come a long way, seeing just how sick little ones can become from the flu is pretty terrifying. Though most children that contract the flu recover and are just fine, others require hospitalization and some do not survive. Overall it’s pretty scary and something I don’t believe should be taken lightly.
This past September was Little Deer’s nine month well-child appointment. At that point I knew that the flu season was right around the corner, so I thought it would be the perfect opportunity to get her vaccinated. I definitely didn’t want to risk LD getting as sick as those children I had cared for in the past. Seeing as it’s now recommended for infants six months and up, I thought she was ready. This was our first visit with our new pediatrician since moving, and although I knew he was a bit more on the natural side, I was pretty surprised at his thoughts on getting her vaccinated. I assumed her doctor would recommend she get one, but as the appointment ended and he hadn’t mentioned it, I brought it up. Well, it turned out he wasn’t a fan.
Now don’t get me wrong — I know there’s controversy surrounding vaccines, but the flu vaccine wasn’t on my radar as something to really question. Yes, I know the flu vaccine isn’t perfect and there’s no guarantee you won’t get the flu just because you’ve been vaccinated, but still, it had to be better than nothing right? Not according to our pediatrician. He mentioned studies that have shown Vitamin D and its benefits in protecting against the flu. He referred to the flu shot as “an experiment being conducted on the population” each year. He then asked us if that sounded like a good idea. Well when he put it that way… No, I guess it didn’t sound like a good idea.
I really wish I had spoken up and talked with the doctor more, but in the end we headed home sans the flu shot. Later that day the whole thing still didn’t sit well with me, so I decided that I would do a little research. Honestly, I also wondered if I was missing something. Maybe getting her vaccinated for the flu really wasn’t necessary. I just wasn’t sure.
I inadvertently started my research when a friend of mine posted this article on Facebook: Johns Hopkins Scientist Slams Flu Vaccine. After reading the post, I was pretty shocked. Though I didn’t have access to the actual article that was written by Dr. Doshi and published in the British Medical Journal, this post touched on the main points of his writing. Here’s a few snippets of what he said that surprised me:
- The flu vaccine is less effective and has more side effects than what the Center for Disease Control (CDC) states.
- The threat of influenza seems to be overstated since the numbers the CDC reports each year don’t add up.
- The only randomized clinical trial on older adults found that there was no decrease in deaths among those that were vaccinated, which means we don’t have good evidence backing up our current recommendations.
- Randomized clinical trials on healthy adults where between 33-100 people were vaccinated showed only one less case of influenza compared to those that were not vaccinated.
- There have been serious side effects of the flu vaccine that most people aren’t aware of, such as convulsions (1:110 children in an Australian study) and narcolepsy (from an H1N1 strain).
- Mercury found in the flu vaccine is toxic and is an immune suppressant, making you more vulnerable to getting sick.
- Vaccines are a pharmaceutical company’s dream because both the government and media will help them sell it and they’re protected against any complications.
Yikes! Talk about some scary stuff. I remember finishing that article and then texting it to Mr. Deer with the message: Well maybe we shouldn’t get her the flu vaccine! As with most things though, you can’t always trust everything you read. A few days after reading that article, I saw a post on the Hellobee boards about the flu shot. I posted the link to the article by Dr. Doshi, curious what others would think. Awesomely enough, I got a response back with an article that was written as a direct rebuttal to Dr. Doshi’s post called: Non-epidemiologist tries to do epidemiology, feeds anti-vaccine activists. The author of this article is an epidemiologist and is very familiar with the flu vaccine. In his post he points out flaws with Dr. Doshi’s article and sheds some light on a few issues. Here are the highlights:
- There’s a reason why the reported number of influenza cases and related deaths don’t always add up – because they’re estimated. States are not required to report cases of the flu (or related deaths) for people over the age of 18. This means that the number of cases and related deaths are usually estimations. Many times people die from influenza due to secondary infections. It may start as the flu, but then they might develop bacterial pneumonia. Or perhaps they’re already sick or have a chronic medical condition that becomes exacerbated. Not only is it tricky to see that the main culprit was likely influenza, but often they’re not even tested for it. All in all it’s not a perfect system, so with many numbers being estimated sometimes things don’t quite add up.
- There is a difference in how effective the flu vaccine can be for certain age groups, but that doesn’t mean that they do not work well. The nasal spray does a better job at protecting the young, the injection does better at protecting those 18 and older (I’ll touch more on that in a bit).
- A reduction in cases of Influenza, even if it’s just by 1 out of 33-100 people, is a lot. If you think about that ratio spread over our entire population, that may mean a few million people. That’s definitely not something to put-down.
So there I was, I went from questioning the flu vaccine to feeling like I was back on-board. Still though, the seed of doubt had been planted in my mind. I decided I would make a pros and cons list to really map things out. I thought I would share it with you, in case any of you are also on the fence or questioning getting your little ones vaccinated against the flu.
Disclaimer: just because I have been researching and reading about the flu vaccine does not mean that I am suddenly an expert. I am not trying to give any medical advice in this post. I am just a nurse and a mom who is trying to figure out what is best for Little Deer.
Ok, let’s look at the positives and negative aspects of the flu vaccine as I see them:
THE POSITIVES
- Protection from Influenza: Every year hundreds of thousands of people are hospitalized from the flu and many thousands die. It’s estimated by the CDC (Children, the Flu, and the Flu Vaccine) that around 20,000 children under the age of 5 are hospitalized due to the flu. Last year during the 2012-2013 flu season there were 165 flu-related pediatric deaths. And of those that died, about ninety percent were not vaccinated. Though the flu vaccine does not cover all strains of Influenza (more on that in a minute), it does usually contain the ones that are estimated to be the heaviest hitters.
- The flu shot doesn’t cause the flu: The flu shot is made from inactivated forms of the different influenza viral strains (meaning they’re essentially “dead”). The nasal spray is different in that it contains a live attenuated version of the virus, meaning it’s alive but weakened enough that it won’t cause you to become sick. Some people have said that right after they’ve gotten the flu shot they’ve come down with the flu. My understanding is that sometimes people catch the flu just prior to getting the vaccine. It could also be that they became infected by a different strain than what was available in the vaccine. And it may not even be the flu all together, but just a bad respiratory virus or stomach bug. You can read more here: Misconceptions about the Seasonal Flu and Flu Vaccines. There’s also answers to other common questions on the Seasonal Flu Shot.
- If you’re worried about Thimerosal, then skip it: In the past it had been thought that there might be a link between thimerosal (a preservative found in vaccines) and autism. I know some people genuinely still believe there may be a link between the two (I’m not trying to start a big debate) but todays research has found no connection. And even so, there are formulations that are available without thimerosal, so if you’re worried about its effects on your child then request the thimerosal-free version. You can read more about thimerosal and the related research here: Thimerosal and 2013-2014 Seasonal Flu Vaccines. (Side note: even adults can request the thimerosal-free vaccine if they’d like!).
THE NEGATIVES
- The flu shot isn’t 100% effective, especially in young children: Part of this is because there is more than one flu virus, and each year it’s impossible to predict exactly which strains will rise in which community. Every year they select three strains for the flu vaccine (or now even four) that they think will be the biggest, but you can see how that may not always be perfect. When reading the Recommendations for Prevention and Control of Influenza in Children, 2013-2014 you can see which three or four strains have been selected for this year’s flu shot. Not only is there the issue of proper coverage, but studies have also shown that inactivated flu vaccine (the shot) may not be effective in children under the age of two. A review of past studies done in 2008 (Vaccines for preventing influenza in health children) found that the efficacy of the vaccine in children under the age of two was similar to the placebo group. So coverage for infants may not be as great as we thought.
- The side effects and risks: The possible side effects associated with the flu vaccine include mild pain, tenderness, and redness at the injection site, as well as possible fever, aches, headache, itching, or fatigue. More severe side effects could include an allergic reaction, seizures, or even Guillain-Barré Syndrome (1-2 per million vaccinated). Though the chances of suffering those severe side effects are rare, there is always still a risk. Even the mild side effects are still enough to disrupt Little Deer’s sleep, which is already fragile enough as it is. She’s gotten a fever from vaccines in the past, and it definitely wasn’t a fun time.
- Needing two shots: Not only would we need to deal with the possible side effects once, but we’d have to do it twice. This is the new guideline for children ages six months to eight years that haven’t received the flu shot in the past (these CDC guidelines can be read here). Because LD is so young and hasn’t been vaccinated before, she falls into this category and would need two shots, the second one being about one month after the first. The more shots the bigger the bummer in my book.
So there’s obviously some positives and negatives with LD getting the flu vaccine, but what if we were to just skip it all together? Infants (along with the elderly) are the most vulnerable population when it comes to suffering from flu-related complications. Babies haven’t yet built up a strong immune system and because of their anatomy, when infants get sick their respiratory system can become over-run pretty quickly. That all doesn’t sound too good, but what if we had compelling reasons to believe that LD would be unlikely to catch the flu in the first place? Her pediatrician mentioned Vitamin D as cutting her risk of developing the flu, so I wondered what else might lower our chances. Here’s what I found:
- Vitamin D: Like LD’s pediatrician mentioned, there have been studies showing that taking Vitamin D supplements may decrease a person’s risk at getting the flu. This 2010 study in school children found that rates of the flu dropped by nearly half in those that took Vitamin D. Little Deer currently gets her d-drops (400 IU’s of D3) every morning, so that should help her out.
- Breast milk: We’re still breastfeeding around 5-7 times per day. I recieved the flu shot while pregnant and also a few weeks ago, so LD may be recieving some protection from me. There’s currently a study that’s just finishing up that’s looking into this which will be interesting to see (Can Mother’s Milk Protect Baby from the Flu?). Even if that isn’t the case, breastfeeding in general provides a great defense against illness for babies and I sure believe it. LD is 10 months old and besides one bout with allergies, she’s still never been sick.
- Not in daycare: Being a SAHM means that Little Deer is often hanging at home with me. We obviously do get out and about, but LD’s not in direct contact with many children or other adults.
- Mr. Deer and I are vaccinated: Both Mr. Deer and I received our flu shot about a month ago, so we’re now less likely to contract the flu and bring it home to her.
- No other health conditions: Little Deer doesn’t have any other medical conditions or choronic health issues (such as asthma, diabetes, etc.) that would put her at greater risk for flu-relateed complications.
- Hand washing: I am big on washing my hands when I get home from being out and about. All those germs you pick up from opening doors, holding onto railings, shaking hands, pushing shopping carts! Washing your hands is seriously one of the best defenses for not getting sick, and doing it when you return home from being out is a great way to stay healthy.
So yes, I don’t think Little Deer is high risk for contracting the flu this year. But does that mean we should skip it?
To start, I hope that what I’ve written so far hasn’t stirred anybody up. This definitely wasn’t meant to be a vaccine-related debate (though I do look forward to hearing the hive’s opinion too!). I really just hoped to share my thoughts throughout this process. So, where does this leave me?
After all the reading and researching, I think in the end I need to go with my gut. Isn’t that the case in so many of these decisions that we make as mothers? Though it’s rare for children that get the flu to become hospitalized or even die, I believe it’s even rarer to suffer a complication of the vaccine. When I think of how quickly babies can become ill, as well as those children I took care of in the hospital that were extremely ill from the flu, I know I want to do all I can to protect Little Deer. Sure, we don’t get out much, but all it takes is Little Deer licking the shopping cart handle in Target for her to get sick (and goodness knows that will happen!). So in the end, we’re going with getting her the flu shot. Both of them.
Phew! Thanks for sticking with me through that long post! Hope it’s helpful for any of you on the fence about getting your little ones vaccinated against the flu. For those of you that weigh the pros and cons and decide against it, I totally respect your decision. I hope that some of these articles and posts still prove to be helpful and informative. Hope everybody stays healthy and that we have a mild flu season coming up! And for anyone who wants to do some more reading, here are all the resources I linked all in one spot:
RESOURCES
Articles:
- Johns Hopkins Scientist Slams Flu Vaccine: An article talking about Dr. Doshi’s recent piece in which he questions the need of the flu vaccine, the CDC’s ways of reporting deaths, and other potential problems with the vaccine.
- Non-epidemiologist tries to do epidemiology, feeds anti-vaccine activists: This is the rebuttal post to Dr. Doshi’s piece written by an epidemiologist based out of Washington D. C.
- Possible Side Effects from Vaccines: You can find information here specifically on the flu vaccine (really all vaccines if you’re curious about looking them up too).
- Thimerosal in 2013-2014 Flu Vaccine: This is a post about the purpose of thimerosal, its use in flu vaccines, and how they have created vaccines that are thimerosal-free.
- Children, the Flu, and the Flu Vaccine: Information specifically about the flu vaccine for children.
- Seasonal Flu Shot: Answers to common questions about the flu shot.
- Misconceptions about the Seasonal Flu and Flu Vaccines: Answers to common misconceptions about the flu like “Can I get the flu from the flu shot?”
- Thimerosal and 2013-2014 Seasonal Flu Vaccines: Information about the preservative thimerosal that’s used in vaccines.
- Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy children: Cochrane review that came to the conclusion that there isn’t enough evidence that children under the age of two are protected by recieving the flu vaccine.
- Vitamin D study in school children: Shows the significance of Vitamin D and lowered rates of the flu.
- Can Mother’s Milk Protect Baby from the Flu?: Information about the on-going study looking at the effectiveness of nursing mother’s reciving the flu vaccine and coverage in their infants.
AAP site:
- Recommendations for Prevention and Control of Influenza in Children, 2013-2014: This contains recomendations about the flu vaccine as well as information about the strains selected for this years flu shot.
Seattle Children’s Hospital site:
- Flu Shot Numbers: This is a blog post by a Seattle Children’s doctor that I enjoy following. She’s got a couple of helpful tidbits about this year’s flu shot.
- About the Flu: Information about the flu and other resources from Seattle Children’s Hospital site.
pineapple / 12566 posts
Thank you for this. DH, DS (who is almost 3) and I all got the flu shot this year. Like you said, DS has to have two shots, and he will have the second one in about two weeks. As we are expecting a new baby in December, and my son goes to preschool, we wanted to make sure we were providing as much protection as possible for the baby.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts
I appreciate your well thought out post. I got my first flu shot last year at the urging of my MIL. I will probably have my future LOs get it too.
pomegranate / 3225 posts
Thank you! I share your concerns and confusion. We know andadult that contracted meningitis from the flu shot (technically his body’s reaction to the flu shot). I haven’t gotten one for LO yet. I suppose I will but I am not In a rush.
GOLD / wonderful pea / 17697 posts
This is a great post, thank you!
Last year DS hit 6 months as flu season was winding down. I was still EBF, am a SAHM and D and I both got it, so we felt comfortable declining it.
We all got it this year, though. I’ve had the flu, and I thought I was dying, and when I thought about what that would be like if E caught it? No way…I want to give him as much protection as possible.
grapefruit / 4278 posts
I have an acquaintance who died from complications from the flu. We will all be getting a flu shot this year.
blogger / pear / 1563 posts
Definitely no flu shot for us. We used to get it every year for prevention, but after research side with your pediatrician. The people that I’ve known that have gotten the flu in the past several years also got the flu shot, so it didn’t help them at all. I know that’s just anecdotal, but in addition to the chemicals in vaccines it’s not worth it to us. And we definitely don’t give it to Little P since he has an egg allergy and that would be horribly dangerous for him to get!
pomelo / 5258 posts
@Mrs. Pinata: my LO had a skin reaction to egg but our pediatrician said she should still get the flu vaccine and that it was appropriate for any child that isn’t anaphylactic. LO still hasn’t gotten her shot yet. Now I’m worried about a reaction again. Is Little P’s egg allergy serious?
honeydew / 7917 posts
@Mrs. Pinata: My LO is also allergic to eggs, and his allergist said that the egg protein in the flu vaccine is fine and won’t be a problem. Many of LO’s routine vaccinations contain eggs, and we usually sit in the doctor’s office for 30 minutes to wait and see if he has a reaction.
blogger / pear / 1563 posts
@yin: That’s so interesting! Our pediatrician doesn’t recommend the flu vaccine, so I only got the information about eggs and the flu vaccine online since it wasn’t recommended anyway. That’s good to know though, since I’m sure your allergist knows what he/she is talking about more than my sparse looking things up on the internet!
blogger / pear / 1563 posts
@Corduroy: His reaction is always vomit.
It looks like @Yin’s allergist said it’s ok, so it must be! Since our pedi doesn’t recommend it anyway, we’re fine to just pass it up.
grapefruit / 4085 posts
Thank you for this post. M did get the flu shot and had no averse reaction. It’s reading articles like the following that I’m glad she’s protected.
http://scarsdale10583.com/201311093640/neighborhood-news/when-adversity-leads-to-advocacy-families-fighting-flu.html
pomelo / 5628 posts
I will be having everyone who comes in contact with my lo get the flu shot. I honestly have a bit of an issue with writing a piece like this as a lay person (even as a nurse) that goes out to such a large audience. Facts get diluted as they are passed on and on and the repercussions can be serious.
I did some quick research on Dr. Doshi and Dr. Blaylock and there is a lot of controversy surrounding both of them.
This is a great quiz about the flu from the New York Times:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/the-well-flu-quiz/
blogger / persimmon / 1231 posts
@Mrs. Pinata: yeah that’s tough with an egg allergy!
@Mrs Green Grass: I’m sorry this post came across negatively. I do feel a little more knowledgable than the average lay person, but I do understand your point. I was trying my best to just share my thought process about how I came to the decision to get LD her flu shot and not try to push an agenda. I liked that quiz you posted! Definitely learned a few new facts (no birthday candle blowing in Australia!)
blogger / eggplant / 11551 posts
Both my kids already got their flu shots. I thought this was a well thought out post giving good perspective from both sides! If anything, it at least gets people thinking about what they should do and help them make an informed decision on their own.
blogger / kiwi / 675 posts
Last year, I didn’t get the flu shot because I was pregnant and I go the flu. That was the second time I went with no shot and got the flu. Gemma just got the nasal flu vaccine.. Summer won’t be getting it this season because she is too young and me and mr. P will be getting it…. Vaccines scare me. I like to hold off as long as I can giving them. Gemma got her first one around 1yo because she was born in Nov. so she couldn’t get it the first year either.
I hate that I always get nervous when the girls get vaccines, I wish that the research was more conclusive and we as parents didn’t have the worry that maybe some day down the line we would regret any of these decisions.
Thank you for this post and all of your research
blogger / persimmon / 1231 posts
@Mrs. High Heels: Thank you!
@Mrs. Palette: I feel the exact same way (thus the long drawn out post to try and make a decision!). I totally get nervous and I definitely wish the research was more conclusive, especially for little ones.
pomelo / 5789 posts
My LO has an egg allergy and was advised against it by our Ped, but I would have followed a similar thought process to you!
blogger / persimmon / 1398 posts
I thought this was a really great post! I love how you outlined your though process as a mother here. Even though we went through this decision making process already (we were pro vaccine), I always appreciate more information and resources. Thanks for sharing this!!!
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
@Mrs. Deer: I agree that this was an excellent post, especially with your list of resources. Thank you!
grape / 92 posts
So glad for this post. I was definitely on the fence. I haven’t had a flu shot since I was a teenager and have never had the flu. DH also has not had the flu shot since his teenage years and hasn’t had the flu at least in the last 12 years that we’ve known each other. So we are both a little skeptical about its benefits for our little one. However, little bear and I participate in music class and another activity class where he comes in to contact with other kids, so we are inclined to get it…but honestly the jury is still out.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
charlie and olive have gotten their flu shots since they were in utero and have never had the flu. i never had a flu shot in my life before having kids. but i haven’t had the flu in the past 5 years that I’ve been getting the shot.
i really appreciated hearing your perspective as a mom and a nurse!
clementine / 948 posts
I think this was a great post – well balanced. And I wouldn’t call you a lay person as a nurse
blogger / pomegranate / 3300 posts
Great post. Thanks for showing some of the debates from both sides.
blogger / clementine / 998 posts
Very well researched, I like How you provided references, too
cherry / 209 posts
Every year I have gotten the flu shot I have spent most of the year getting sick. The years I didn’t I was healthy… until this year when I was pregnant… because my DH got the flu…
I’m not sure if I will get LO the shot or if I will get the shot… but I think in future I’ll definitely make DH get it cos when he gets sick he gets sick BAD.
grapefruit / 4649 posts
I love how you wrote this, it is such a sticky topic and I think you handled it beautifully. I think that often an argument that gets brought up in vaccine arguments is the lack of research done by people who make either decision. Personally, I feel like research is important no matter which decision you make so articles like this that give one person’s thoughts and then articles and research links seems like a great primer.
kiwi / 550 posts
Thanks for this comprehensive post Ms Deer! I think given everything I came to the same conclusion as you. I really appreciated seeing your whole thought process. Thanks for sharing.
honeydew / 7283 posts
Thanks for this @Mrs. Deer: I come from a similar perspective as a mom and an ICU RN (adult) and I came to the same decision for our family this year. M’s 1 year appointment happened to be the day after a patient that I was caring for died of complications from influenza. I just couldn’t say no the vaccine after seeing that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and research!
grapefruit / 4923 posts
you are a better person than i am for doing all this research before making your decision! we just went for the vaccine for our entire family, no questions.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
Hmmm… somewhere along the way, my post got lost, but it said that I was really impressed with the way that you handled the discussion and I applaud your thought process and conclusion.
I see kids with flu encephalitis each year. Seeing even one is too many, because those kids go on to have severe neurologic deficits in the short and long term. If I see a couple each year in one hospital, there are a heck of a lot more in the country as a whole. I would never want my kids to have their future potential wiped out by a vaccine preventable disease!
@Corduroy: Little Jacks had an egg reaction and did fine with the flu shot. We had it done in the allergist’s office just in case.
PS SeattleMamaDoc is a friend
coffee bean / 28 posts
What a lovely article!
We all got the flu shot and will continue.
When I was pregnant with my LO, my husband came down with H1N1 during my first trimester. He was so incredibly sick. He hadn’t gotten his flu shot yet H1N1 came earlier than the regular flu season. But I luckily had already gotten mine (it was recommended even in 1st trimester, then). I did not get sick, but it was so stressful. Flu really isn’t something to brush off.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
Great post with lots of links. Thank you! I’m just catching up on most of your posts because I see you used to live in Seattle. I’m currently living in Seattle. Love hearing about your cloth diaper experience. Since moving out to the PNW, I’ve definitely gotten the Seattle cloth diaper bug.