The first thing that Mr. Jacks said when I told him about possibly adopting Jack Jack’s sibling, “Well, it’s too bad we can’t do it!” When I asked why not, he said very practically, “Because we don’t have a car that can hold 3.”
Of course we decided that we could overcome that obstacle, but I do feel like the debate about vehicles suitable for three children rages throughout Mommy-land. People seem to fall into one of two categories: mini-van people and I would never be caught dead in a mini-van people. I fall squarely in the latter category. My husband, on the other hand, has been gunning for a mini-van since Little Jacks was born. “So practical,” he says. “What’s not to love about them?” he says.
Mr. Jacks and I started doing research on the 3 car seat dilemma a long time ago when we were still toying with the idea of adding to our family. Ultimately, the challenges we faced were enough to put “car” on the con list of having another baby. I didn’t really enjoy thinking through the process and we couldn’t seem to agree on approach, let alone a car. It’s no wonder that Mr. Jacks called vehicle issues a deal killer in pursuing this adoption.
We found a number of resources showing how people configure their three car seats in a variety of cars. The overwhelming chorus is, “I got them in, but it wasn’t easy!” Still, it was enough to give me hope!
- Successful installation of 3 car seats
- 3 Carseats in a car that isn’t a mini-van (they used one booster seat, which we won’t be able to do)
- More cars that aren’t mini-vans
- Consumer reports mini-van buying guide
Another alternative that you all reminded me of when first blogging about this adoption was that instead of finding a new car, we could look for new car seats that would better fit in our existing cars. The Diono Radian R120 seems to be the go-to car seat for fitting 3 kids across one bench seat, and it gets great performance and safety reviews. Unfortunately, even with 2 Radians, our Britax infant carrier wasn’t going to fit easily into the Audi Q5. Luckily, we thought we could make it work in our beloved (but ancient) Toyota 4Runner. I could wax poetic about my trusty 4Runner. He’s never once broken down on the road. He’s carried me all over the country and to countless snowboarding adventures. He’s seen almost all of my major life events and hasn’t complained about them. He’s got 200,000 miles on him, but runs wonderfully. Maybe we could make it our default car for transporting the children?
So it seemed like our 3 options were:
- Choose a car or SUV that can adequately fit 3 car seats
- Succumb to the mini-van
- Switch out all the car seats to ones with smaller footprints and use the 4Runner as our primary family mode of transportation.
SUV
When thinking through the pros and cons of the various options, we recognized that cars and SUVs that easily fit 3 car seats tend to have poorer gas mileage/bigger carbon footprint. They rely on third row seating that works for small children, but is less comfortable for older kids and adults. Most of the reports I’ve read about getting the 3 children buckled into the seats involves a little bit of struggle. A friend who has a Volvo XC90 says that she has to budget about 15 minutes to get her 4.5 year old, 2 year old and 7 month old in the car. Despite these drawbacks, there was major appeal in the fact that these were not mini-vans (keeping my sense of self intact!), and we wouldn’t have to sacrifice performance for practicality. Most were outfitted for easy winter driving with 4 wheel drive. This is a factor in our climate and with the types of winter activities we participate in.
Minivan
The evil minivan, in contrast, is apparently THE practical choice. I’ve read blog post after blog post from anti-minivan people who eventually gave in and wondered why they had held out for so long. They were converts and prophets for the minivan lifestyle. I hated them for all their logic and sense-making. I wanted to hear all about the horrible drawbacks of the minivan. But instead, I was tortured with their good gas mileage, ease of loading and unloading children, the wonders of the DVD system, the massive amount of storage, the touch opening and closing all the doors, let alone the remote door opening and start options. Moms shared stories about being able to load the neighborhood kids into the minivan for playdates and practice. They exploded my prejudices about minivan performance, describing the wonders of V6 engines and front wheel drive. Seemed like an oxymoron to me, but they swore it wasn’t! After searching high and low for minivan cons, I did find a couple. Their size makes them bulkier to park in a garage and they lack eye appeal. Despite their front wheel drive, most don’t offer an AWD or 4 Wheel Drive option. So take that, minivans!
Change the car seats, keep the cars
This option is the path of least resistance for us. We have a major short-term cash flow problem as we enter into a second adoption. New car seats would set us back minimally compared to a new car. We love our cars and would prefer to use this option The major drawback is that the 4Runner doesn’t get great gas mileage anymore. Instead of getting mid 20’s like he did in his best years, we’ve dipped into the mid-teens. I don’t blame him. He’s done his best! Another issue was needing to use seat belts instead of the LATCH system to secure the children, but with the base on the Britax infant seat, we wouldn’t have to buckle and unbuckle the infant carrier every time. We thought it could bridge us for a while until we achieve new balance in our budget. Problem solved!
Until… a few days into the decision making process (seriously, just our luck in 2014– anything that can go wrong will), we detected a big oil leak in our old dear old friend. And we found out that after 200,000 amazing miles, the clutch would need to be replaced too– in a car with a Kelley Blue Book value of around $1500. It was time to decide. Do we sink more money into our aging friend, or was he trying to tell us to fly, be free, and find more suitable transportation for our growing family?
Did you have to make tough transportation decisions when adding to your family?
To be continued…
coffee bean / 33 posts
decisions, decisions. A newer car, whether its a mini van or not
is probably much safer than an older vehicle. You don’t want to risk 3 kids in the car on the side of the road broke down. I had a 99′ 4 Runner that had so many memories in it, until it sadly was just becoming too expensive to maintain, so I feel the love.
Also, don’t get your mind too set on LATCH; these systems only hold up to so much weight which includes the weight of the seat. I am a certified car seat technician and I always say if a seat belt can hold a 300 lb adult it definitely can keep a baby safe.
grapefruit / 4235 posts
Well, I just read in October’s Vanity Fair that Robert Downey Jr. has a Honda Odyssey in his vehicle lineup now that he has 2 kids. If it’s good enough for Iron Man, it’s good enough for me!
Seriously though I was super resistant to the minivan but I love the Honda Odyssey. It is awesome and drives like a dream. The Town and Country is loaded but drives like a big ol’ cheesebox.
grapefruit / 4187 posts
I totally understand your dislike of minivans but even with only 1 child I am currently in the market for a used honda odyssey. Both of my siblings own one and swear by them. I like that i frequently see really old ones on the road too. The thing is, even if we remain a family of 3 i think about the need to carpool witj ds’s friends and load tons of stuff for long car trips. An suv would work but a minivan would be way nicer. You can buy used ones at very affordable price points too!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@ahead: I am going to have to pick your brain more! My girls are very light. My 4.5 year old doesn’t yet weigh 30 lbs… So I think we’ll be in LATCH for a while yet. Poor kid is going to go to college in her Britax!
@dagret: @Modern Daisy: mini van people! My husband is so thankful for your comments!
coffee bean / 33 posts
@Mrs.Jacks you are lucky! my daughter is 26lbs and not even 2! We are in a britax that weights almost 20 lbs so we are right at the cut off on LATCH for my vehicle. I know cars usually have a cut off of 45 lbs but many new cars and SUVS go up to 65 lbs. BUT always check with your car manual and it should give a weight limit! many new car seats are starting to list the max weight for your child for the LATCH system based on the 65 lbs max. Feel free to ask any questions!
pomelo / 5866 posts
I love the Volvo! Too expensive for me though!
Sad to admit my 1999 Lexus SUV is on its last legs. I am hoping it will last for sentimental reasons but yes, it might be getting to the point of unsafe so I will have to give it up in another year or two. I am neither pro or anti minivan. I would like to do the same thing as I did before- buy another luxury SUV, 5 years old, from a friend who is moving to another country and giving me a killer deal.
Thanks for pointing out that car seat. I am going to recommend it to a friend who is pregnant. Looking forward to the next installment of CarSeat Woes.
blogger / persimmon / 1231 posts
Totally don’t love the look of minivans either, but my practical side has won me over and I can’t wait to get one! We’re waiting until we move back to Washington but I’m really excited. I hope you guys find the best for for your soon to be family of 5!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
if i had 3, i’d definitely go the minivan route. although i’ve always been a stationwagon girl. i wish they still made them with the third row of seats facing the rear window!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@808love: that’s such a smart way to do things. Then you don’t have to deal with depreciation! If I had it to do over, knowing what I know now, I might have started with the Radians instead of Britax. But then again, who knew I was going to have three kids!
@Mrs. Deer: when are you moving home?
@Mrs. Bee: remember those station wagons with the folding seats in the back? It was the perfect family solution. The closest there is now is the Ford Flex. https://autos.yahoo.com/ford/flex/2014/;_ylt=AwrTHQ7qlZlUSSEA6Jhx.9w4
I do envy car free city living at times like this!
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I feel the same way about minivans…DO NOT WANT…
HOWEVER…now that we’ve had our Highlander for over 2 years…I wish we would have gotten a van. Especially now that we are talking about trying for baby #2.
We were at downtown Disney and they had a 2015 Honda Odyssey that you could check out…WOW it is NICE. I like how you can seat 3 people in the back AND there is still trunk space.
I told my husband his next car is going to be a minivan
blogger / persimmon / 1231 posts
@Mrs. Jacks: hopefully in June!
GOLD / apricot / 341 posts
So we live a super urban life and don’t use our car daily (at least not with the kids), but we have 3 small children in a Volvo station wagon (V70) and it’s fine. Ours are 4 years, 3 years and 7 months old. We live in Sweden so the rules and recommendations are a little different: rear-facing as long as possible, but at least 4-5 years, and you are allowed to have a car seat on the front passenger seat.
Right now we have the older two in rear-facing, one in front of the other (so one is in the front passenger seat), and I have to scooch past the infant car seat base to get into the middle of the back seat before my husband clicks the infant seat into the base. In a month or so we’ll transition our eldest into a front-facing where the infant seat is now, and I’ll have to scooch past that instead.
We were in Italy recently and used two front-facing seats in the back and the infant seat in the front and that also worked fine.
Good luck with it!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@lindsay: I want to know more about your Highlander! What don’t you like? What does the Odyssey have that’s attracting you? Need more details!
@Mini Piccolini: I wish we had the front seat option! But Volvo is definitely on the list. Do you love your car?
cantaloupe / 6923 posts
I can’t do minivan. I just cant. Especially being in Utah. No!!! I’m fighting this car fight right now and it’s hard.
blogger / pomegranate / 3300 posts
I am a mini van fan!!!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@anonysquire: It’s either a mini-van or a Subaru around here! I feel you.
@Mrs. Train: Trying to wear me down are ya?!
pomegranate / 3225 posts
Yikes. I always said no mini van but with two & a big dog I could easily be swayed at this point!
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
I guessed right on baby #3
Here goes- new SUV!!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: we’ll just have to see ;). Trust me, I so want you to be right!
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The Toyota Sienna has AWD.
pear / 1614 posts
We have a minivan, neither me nor DH was ever opposed to them. We LOVE it. We got the Sienna AWD, we live in Colorado and head to the mountains when we can so that was important to us. It has SO much space and is SO flexible and easy for us, our two dogs, two kids so far (hopefully more sometime), and suitcases/bikes/etc.
We recently bought Diono Radians to replace our Britax Boulevards. DS was 35 lbs before turning two and shoveling him into the BB was such a struggle. We love the Dionos. I drive a Prius and I will say that I can’t imagine putting 3 in a row in the backseat – just having two on the outside seats leaves very very little space in between. Neither of our kids liked the baby carrier, we didn’t have stroller systems or anything, so I think if we had a third we might consider using 3 convertibles from the start.
hostess / wonderful watermelon / 39513 posts
We are eyeing the Sienna!
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lol….I hate mini vans. Never wanted one but couldn’t defy the logic of one. Now I secretly love all of my amenities but still insist to my husband that I hate it. It’s a mini-van!
olive / 57 posts
We have a 2 year old and are now expecting twins…we bit the bullet and bought a minivan. A bigger SUV wouldn’t fit in our garage! We were bummed, but I do love driving it so far and I think it was the right move for our family. I figure I can maintain my sense of self in other ways and rock out the mini van
Good luck!
olive / 57 posts
BTW, we went with the Honda Odyssey. It’s really pretty great!
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@Mamagoose: I’ll be interested to hear your take on my experience with the Odyssey performance issues in a few minutes. Sounds like your experience is different than mine