I like to think of myself as a feminist and a pretty progressive person in general. I try to give my boys lots of options, and have always tried to avoid steering them one way or the other based on their gender. They have a toy kitchen and a dollhouse that they love, even though Mr. T insists on calling it a “playhouse” with “people” instead of dolls. K’s favorite color has always been purple – it was the first color he could identify, starting from younger than 1yo! Anything that he colors at school always comes home completely purple. We were in Target the other day when he spotted these shoes and got so excited and demanded that we get them for him.
I said something I’ve always said I never would — “K, those are for girls!”
From Target
It took him aback. My teenage SIL has said that to him before when he’s wanted to enter the “girls’ toys” section of stores, but I’ve always corrected her saying that toys are for everyone.
Oddly enough, after a moment to process, K accepted my response. What broke my heart was that the for the rest of the Target run he would continually ask me if X was for boys or girls – X being toys, food, appliances, blankets… I tried to say that X was for everyone, boys and girls, but he would press me for a specific answer. It’s almost like he suddenly discovered that boys and girls don’t (or can’t? or shouldn’t?) like the same things.
Thinking back on that moment, I know I should have treated those shoes just like every other random thing he asks for while we’re out and about, with a simple, “K, we don’t need that!” That moment has stuck in my mind, while I hope K has already forgotten it forever.
Why am I ok with him playing with stereotypically “girl” toys, but not wearing clothes aimed at girls? Why is it easy for me to brush off comments from parents at playdates on our sons playing with girl toys, but not being able to fathom sending him to preschool in those shoes? I know Mr. T would never let him out of the house wearing them, but why do I care? Of course the most obvious excuse is that I don’t want him to get teased, but is that a good enough reason to impose these unwritten rules about gender performance so early in his life? I also know the only reason he likes those shoes is because of the overwhelming purple-ness, and he’s oblivious to the girly sequins, bow, and Sofia the First character. An equally pressing question – why are pink and purple so heavily marketed towards girls, with pink and bows and glitter on almost everything? K has a handful of outfits that are predominately purple or at least have purple in them, and he wears them again and again. I was able to get away with getting him dark blue Natives last summer and plan to do the same this summer. I’ve been on the hunt for more boy-appropriate purple gear to try to make up for it, but I still feel bad.
K’s current small but growing purple collection and the things I’m considering adding..
Umbro Tee | Old Navy Plaid Shirt | Polo Shirt | Converse | Old Navy Flip Flops | Native Jeffersons
Obviously I’m trying to find the most “manly” purple things possible to make it easier for all of us to deal with K’s preference. I wish I was brave enough to let him choose whatever shoes he wanted! It’s easy to talk the talk about not imposing these silly cultural biases on children, but I’m finding it hard to walk the walk. I hope that as K grows, and the preferences he tells us about grow in importance, I can learn to better accept who he is and what he wants. I want to be as encouraging as possible – Mrs. Train’s post about her Frozen party for her boys comes to mind!
Does your child have preferences that go against the grain, whether for gender or something else? How do you deal with it? Where do you draw the acceptability line, and do you feel like it’s in the right place?
cherry / 241 posts
I find myself in the opposite camp, in that I am trying to show DD that she doesn’t HAVE to wear pink and sparkly just because she is a girl.
I have really struggled to find clothing that doesn’t look like Princess Neon Rainbow Sparkly Pants threw up on it. Everything is purple or pink or white & frilled. I don’t mind frilly things but do they have to be together? lol
Very often I shop in the boys section for jeans and plain Ts just for a colour variation and then I mix and match with hair bows etc.
Last week I had her in a blue & green striped sweater and skinny jeans with a beret and someone said if it wasn’t for her pierced ears they would think she was a boy. umm okay.
In terms of boys wearing brightly coloured shoes, I’ve seen some of the basketball shoes that are coming out and I think the gender/colour line is being greatly blurred.
Do they play with costumes? Maybe get the shoes for that lol
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Our boys like their nails painted! We let them choose the colors and enjoy it while it lasts.
grapefruit / 4120 posts
I haven’t had a lot of issues with this, but the few times something like that has happened, I have been frank with my son. “You can wear your sister’s raincoat if you want! No problem. Some people might think you’re a girl, though, because some people have ideas about what girls wear and boys wear.” Although it’s still tough to say, I felt better making it not a personal judgment and more of a societal thing.
pomegranate / 3643 posts
Y guy loves purple too! Although I would have probably had the same reaction about the shoes. But really a lot of my problem with girl stuff is that it is so restrictive. My boys have shoes doe running and jumping, not for matching their outfits. I don’t think it’s fair to our kids, boys or girls, in clothing that doesn’t dncourage movement. Unfortunately I think that happens a lot more with girl clothes. (Although the skinny jean trend for boys I dislike as well!)
I knit my son a purple hat this winter and now I can’t find it! Our local college’s colors are purple and gold, so I don’t think anyone thinks twice about him wearing purple.
I do get frustrated when everything kid related is gendered. I mean, DH and I don’t eat off of gendered plates or drive gendered cars. So weird!
pomegranate / 3414 posts
@StrawberryShortie: we had the same problem and it started before birth. We were team green and after DD was born tried to stay within the gender neutral color scheme to find that she wore a whole lot of yellow. Now that she is older we are hard pressed to find things that aren’t pink, purple, princess or frilly.
pomegranate / 3565 posts
Very interesting! And I would have done exactly the same thing without even thinking. My boys are still too little to understand the difference between boy and girl things, and this post has definitely made me think about how I will react to certain things.
And I love your purple choices! I buy a lot of purple for my boys because it’s one of my college alma mater’s school colors. So there are plenty of options around here!
grapefruit / 4649 posts
I feel like being s parent to a girl makes this a tiny bit easier but I am still worried about it. It frustrates me that there are plenty of cute outfits that we have that are gender neutral except someone decided to stick a tiny bow at the neckline or embroider a little heart on it like a label. It is infuriating!
I used to nanny for a little boy who loved sparkley things- because who wouldn’t (!) but they don’t make glittery boy things and his parents were not on board with shopping in the girls department.
blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts
This is hard … there has been a lot of stuff out there devoted to empowering girls, but it still seems a lot less “OK” for boys to cross over and wear/play with/like what’s traditionally girly. Like, we fall all over ourselves saying how awesome it is that a little girl wants to wear a ninja turtle shirt … but the boy in the barbie shirt still gets plenty of side-eye.
cantaloupe / 6730 posts
I guess that’s the thing with society’s biases. We adopt them unconsciously, even though consciously we don’t want to. All we can do is try to do better next time.
blogger / cherry / 247 posts
this was a really thoughtful post, and kudos to you for being retrospective. i think these things are so ingrained that it’s hard to think any other way (even if you’re consciously trying not to continue the stereotypes).
blogger / cherry / 247 posts
@ mrs. yoyo – VERY good point, and strange indeed
cherry / 106 posts
my friend’s son is 6 and he’s all boy but he loves his sparkly super bright PINK crocs. Wears them all the time.
pear / 1696 posts
My son is 21 mo so too young to get it, but he has two pairs of pink boots. I got them at a consignment store and they were the only ones in his size, so I just went for it.
But this is a very timely post for me…LO loves music so I was just looking into local dance/music classes for him. I found one close to our house called “tutu tots” and immediately thought that he shouldn’t go since he “can’t” wear a tutu…its sucks that I even thought that! I know this will only get harder to navigate even though I truly want him to feel that he can wear whatever he wants/be whoever he is.
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I can’t stand that girl stuff is often laden with pink/purple/glitter/frills, but I think it’s easier if you’re looking in the right places (gap, etc) to find gender neutral/less “girly” clothes for girls than it is for boys to wear anything that isn’t straight up boy. Maybe lots of manufacturers still aren’t on board, but there is a movement like Mrs. Yo-yo said to empower girls and celebrate that they can wear boy stuff, and I love the intent. But in fact I kind of think it was ALWAYS okay to wear boy stuff, you were just a tomboy. But I can’t think of a single example where a little boy wearing something girly wouldn’t be avoided, or teased/questioned. There’s no boy version of being a tomboy in the other direction that’s deemed acceptable by society. =(
eggplant / 11408 posts
K, purple is one of my DH’s go to colors to wear! We counted once, and he has more purple ties than blue! Purple is an awesome color for a boy to like! He also has some pretty awesome pink shirts, which I think would look fabulous on you!
blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts
@StrawberryShortie: lol @ Princess Neon Rainbow Sparkly Pants!
@mamimami: that’s a good way to frame it, I’ll have to remember that!
@jedeve: We have the Ravens but I don’t want to pay that much for team gear that I don’t even like, ha! yes EVERYTHING is gendered, it’s insane.
@Mrs. Yoyo: @Mrs. Scooter: @SCB: how true! I wonder if the tomboy-ification is actually a step backwards sometimes – how much is it about allowing girls to take on new interests/traits vs. giving up things that are seen as less-than or girly?
@lady grey: it is so hard! how cute about the pink boots
@LovelyPlum: haha go DH! K would complement him on his wardrobe for sure
I was hoping to find cute purple kids stuff around valentines day, but no dice.
blogger / nectarine / 2600 posts
This post resonated a lot with me in that for a long period of time Drake loved the color pink. I even blogged about it because I too was a little nervous about this territory for the same reasons you mentioned, teasing by others. I personally could care less that he likes pink. I have had a few things happen though that I admit I am not totally sure how to address.
Drake is in school now, both Chinese and American. His American school friends dont seem to think its weird he likes pink but in Chinese school its marked on a lot more. My own mother has her comments though she has accepted it to a degree with my harsher statements back and glares. One time at Chinese school they got to pick prizes, Drake went for the pink car and another boy in his class went Ewww pink. Thats a girl color. Luckily for me Drake is very much in his own world kind of kid, he does he wants without much care what others say or think (I think more because he isnt paying attention at all to them rather than him being confident or self assured sadly) The boys father was right there and I wish he would have corrected his son honestly as I would have if Drake had been the child to say this. I realized then that as he grows other kids are going to comment and remark and I just hope he can rise above it all.
Another thing I have is I babysit a little girl around the corner. She is 8. Drake and her play when I watch her and she knows Drake likes pink. She is a nice girl overall and I know she means no harm but sometimes when they play dress us and wear crowns and such Drake will say Im a princess or a queen and she will laugh. I know she isnt trying to be mean, its just that those words are funny coming from a boy when you are 8 but I dont know what to do. I know she isnt being malicious but I dont know how to correct it either. I dont know if I ought to tell Drake about these things being more for girls and feminine. He is playing and the little girl might initiate the game and want to play dress up and is happy Drake goes along. Im not sure how to feel sadly in this small incidences.
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We have a 5 year old boy that loves pink and purple too, and I’ve struggled with the same kind of decisions! Someone gave me some great advice on it – a boy wearing pink/purple might get judged for it. But it shouldn’t be by his own parents. When it happens, he will deal with it in his own way and make his own decision (ie: pick different friends, stop wearing pink/purple, etc), but he will know that his parents loved and supported him no matter what. I like mamimami’s suggestion too, of framing it, without judging yourself. (But it’s never easy knowing that your kid might be made fun of/get hurt!)
kiwi / 511 posts
Ahhh all the hating on pink and purple. I am so glad that I am not a child right now because I know I would be picking up on the hate on girl things and how horrible it is to have gendered toys and I would wonder what is wrong with me.
I get it some girls don’t like the stereotypical girl things and some boys don’t like the stereotypical boy things. That is fine, you nurture your child and their wants/needs/preferences/desires.
Boys and girls are different. Boys and girls develop at different time tables, their minds are wired in different ways. Why is it so hard to celebrate the sameness of kids as well as the differences? I grew up loving barbie, playing wedding planner, and embracing all the frilly stuff, but I still played little league (teams were mixed boys and girls no separate times), I mowed the lawn and did dishes. I work in the financial world, my love of all things pink and glittery growing up really didn’t harm me because I had parents that cared to nurture what I was interested in. They were not interested in making some grand statement, they simply raised me to follow my dreams whatever they were and not to feel ashamed that I had brains and loved my sparkly nail polish. The two work together quiet well.
And BTW DS1’s favorite color purple, his favorite activities playing Superheros, cars, and pretending to be a doggie. DS2’s favorite color depends on the day, his favorite activities, pretending to be a doggie, cars, and reading.
blogger / pear / 1964 posts
My husband’s favorite color is purple – always has been, always will be. He realized by middle school that it was maybe a little different for a boy to love purple, but it hasn’t stopped him – I think he prides himself a little on his quirky color choice.
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I spent an hour in Target last year looking for a “masculine” Easter basket. I found one (light blue trimmed with yellow ducks) but I wasn’t proud.
pomelo / 5628 posts
I find all of this so frustrating! But it’s definitely easy when raising a boy than girl. But seriously why don’t they make purple shoes for boys (maybe without the bows…). Dylan is really into bracelets and when we went to build a bear last week I thought he should make a girl doll, why not? But dh firmly disagrees.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
My daughter LOVES blue. She wants everything to be blue – clothes, toys, toothbrush, etc. The other day, she asked me for blue socks, and I was so annoyed b/c I couldn’t find anything at Old Navy in the girl section. The only blue socks were in the boy section. I bought them for her and realized how stupid it is that our society thinks girls only want pink and purple, and boys only want blue.
apricot / 464 posts
As far as toys I think anything goes for anyone, but clothes/shoes seem different to me. Maybe this isn’t the most progressive stance, but I do believe it’s not fair to send a child out into the world wearing something that makes a statement they’re not aware of (ie. A boy wearing a pink dress at an age where he doesn’t know that is usually a female item). I try to give some loose guidelines like “sure, anyone can wear dresses! But usually it’s girl who wear dresses”. Once my son is old enough to understand that *typically* a dress is a female item, he can decide for himself if he wants to wear one. But I think it’s ridiculous to pretend that there are no gender identifications attached to certain clothing items, and I think it’s okay to teach our kids some of the typical differences between genders- while allowing them freedom if they want to stray from that when they’re old enough to decide. In the house they can wear what they want, but I think they need to be aware of the “rules” in the real world before they decide if they want to break them.
kiwi / 511 posts
@ohapostrophe: Love this.
pomelo / 5678 posts
I love purple. It is such a beautiful and auspicious color. Color doesn’t have gender, the development in society to think as such is just a result of capitalism. It is a marketing ploy. I guess we still have to decide how many rules we’ll have our kids follow, as parents. Or, tell them such and such is marketed to such and such and let them decide?
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@pinkcupcake – my daughter’s fav color is blue too, everything has to be blue, you ask for her favorite anything, it’s BLUE. She’s 2.5. My son is 1, and doesn’t know any better yet – though he loves riding on her pink minnie mouse car. I hate how it’s society that teaches us girls pink, boys blue…WHY?? just WHY??
blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts
@Mrs. Chocolate: I remember that post! It’s not easy figuring out how to navigate this stuff…
@Mrs.Maven: Preach!
@Mrs Green Grass: yeah, my DH is in a different camp as well…
@ohapostrophe: yes, good point. similar to earlier comments about explaining society’s views of something v. a personal view or judgement!
@Greentea: and THAT’s the question! sigh.
@pinkcupcake: I have done that same scenario so many times for purple things, but am often unable to find them unadorned! Even stupid stuff like socks, or underwear, etc.