Last weekend, I was out and about with the kiddo when I ran into two instances where I noticed that a fellow mama had their child in a precarious situation based on the placement of their babe’s car seat. In one instance, a mama was using a high chair at a coffee shop – you know how you can turn it over and it often is designed to hold/fit a car seat – and the seat wasn’t aligned on one side. In the other, a fellow mama had her newborn’s carrier perched on the top part of a grocery cart.
In both of these moments, I found myself hesitating, wondering if I would have liked a fellow mama to jump in and point out that potentially dangerous situation. In one case – at the coffee shop – it was a matter of not being able to see the angle/misalignment of the car seat on top of the high chair. I doubt this was a lack of knowledge about the danger. In the other – the cart at the grocery store – I had no idea if that mama had heard about the dangers about putting an infant on the topmost part of the cart. In that case, it may have been a conscious decision, based on her experiences (nothing bad had happened before), or a lack of awareness.
In the end, I said nothing to either mama. And here I am, over a week later, finding myself wondering if I could have shared what I saw in a friendly, nonjudgmental way. I believe I would want a mama who saw something or knew something more than me to have said something. But I also know that when I chose to say something could have been one of THOSE mornings when life as a parent is THE HARDEST JOB ON THE PLANET and just making it to the grocery store or coffee shop was that mama’s win for the day. Who am I to insert myself into other’s parenting?
So I’m left trying to figure out if there is a hierarchy, a process of elimination, like a flowchart called, “I Should Say Something If…” where we ask ourselves questions and if yes, we do this, and if no, we do this. Wouldn’t a universal flowchart that came in your hospital discharge packet be the bomb? “Dear new parent, Soon, you’ll see parents engaging in parenting decisions that you deem questionable. When this occurs, use this handy chart to determine if and when you should insert yourself as a third party parent.”
All kidding aside, we’ve all been there, right? As I construct my own personal flowchart (copyright pending, natch), here’s what I’m wondering :
– Does context matter? Is it important to assess where we are when we see something and feel moved to say something? If we’re in certain places in public, like at the grocery store or the park, does that push the moral imperative to jump in above, say, a place like church or school?
– Does relationship matter? Does the decision to say something rest on whether that person is a blood relation, an in-law, a fellow mama in a playgroup or a dang stranger you exchanged weary “we’re-mamas-and-we-so-got-this” smiles with across the playground? Is it more important to say something if we know that person, above the need to say something to a stranger?
– Does topic matter? Meaning, if I see something that could be detrimental to the safety of another kiddo, does that take precedence over saying something that is a more general suggestion?
– Finally, is third party parenting/suggestions EVER really DESIRED? Do any of us want someone saying something to us? What if it saved a kid’s life?
I’m no closer to my flowchart, and I have no idea what I should have done in my two earlier examples.
What would you have done?
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My office window overlooks a church which offers a food pantry and clothing and baby item donation room. In one afternoon I saw a baby car seat simply placed in the back of a van without a base, holding a child who was at least 2; and another at least 2 year old unbuckled in a car without a car seat. I spoke with the women who run the donation center and asked if they would help arrange proper car seat donations after speaking to a social worker colleague. This situation was well-received. I observed the same thing many times again and discussed with the same individual working to increase traffic checks that result in coordinating services rather than simply taking children away from parents. Another time I let a woman in Wegman’s know the back of her Ergo wasn’t buckled and she almost bit my head off. Working with low-income individuals and being part of coalitions that serve high-risk mothers (including addicts and women in and out of the justice system) I feel you should let them be and not say anything as neither situation is life-threatening and they are probably more in the camp of the woman who’s Ergo wasn’t buckled–just having one of those days.
grape / 87 posts
My son recently had Teddy Grahams for the first time and a friend mentioned they contain a petroleum byproduct. I usually check the labels of everything, but picked these up after he had been eating them at his Nana’s house. I’m glad someone told me!
blogger / nectarine / 2600 posts
Years ago a friend messaged me on Facebook telling me that the straps on my son’s car seat weren’t tight enough. I am clearly a mom that spends time doing research and carefully considering things for my children. At the time he was close to 2 and still rear facing which I knew was important and he wasn’t in a puffy coat, rather a hoodie sweatshirt, despite the weather because I had read about those dangers. The moment her words flashed across my messenger and I registered her words I admit my ire rose a slight bit as I pondered a way to curtly respond and then somewhere between my emotions and my brain I typed out the words “Can you tell me specifically what is wrong?” She explained how car seat straps have to be tight enough that only two fingers can slide underneath them and she could see mine were looser because of the angle my son was leaning (he was asleep) and how a tighter car seat strap would prevent him from being that far over as he was. I took her advice and went to check the straps and put my son in the car and saw how lose they were and adjusted them and retook a photo and asked her if it was better, which she said was. Then I did something even more surprising to myself, I said thank you. What was even more surprising was then her response, saying she thought I was going to be mad and bite her head of but was relieved to see she hadnt offended or upset me and in that moment I felt remorse for my initial feelings as well as happiness that I somehow managed to respond like an adult. I told her I was thankful she wsa looking out for my son, that I didnt know everything as a parent and the most important thing I wanted above all else was to protect and keep my son safe, that if anything or anyone could help me in this task that I should welcome it instead of bristle and become angry at the notion. I think a lot of times people get easily offended, I did, by the mere criticism of their own knowledge, that somehow people are judging you for your choices. Parenting is an extremely personal thing as we are all striving in our own ways to do the best job and therefore questioning out choices is saying we dont want whats best for our children. But parents also like everything else, dont know everything. Rules and regulations and ideas change, new better solutions are found. I find myself thinking back about that moment a lot these days as a way to remind myself that in the end of the day anything to better safeguard my children is worth the humility it takes to accept the advice.
blogger / kiwi / 626 posts
I have such a hard time with this because I know that my reaction to someone correcting my parenting would be really negative initially. That being said, sometimes people are putting their children at serious risk and in those cases I would rather say something and look like a jerk and potentially save a child from serious harm than not say anything and mind my own business. I recently had to call the police because a mother I was doing swim lessons with was allowing her infant to ride in the backseat on her mother’s lap. The first time I saw it I was completely aghast, but I didn’t say/do anything and the second time I decided I would rather risk her getting in trouble than ignoring it. I struggled with the decision a lot. It’s so hard being a parent.
blogger / kiwi / 626 posts
@Mrs. Chocolate: This is such a great story. I am glad to hear that your initial reaction was pretty much exactly how I would have reacted too. But it seems like you handled it really well and it is super cool that the person who told you was relieved you weren’t offended.
persimmon / 1095 posts
I probably wouldn’t say anything to the grocery cart lady but would have to the person using the high chair for their car seat since it was something they probably couldn’t see was wrong. I’d want someone to tell me in any situation though!
honeydew / 7504 posts
I’ve seen so many parents with their car seats in the top of the shopping cart and have debated with my inner monologue over and over again about saying something. In the end, I never have. People can be so sensitive about stuff like that.
My friend posted a photo a few weeks ago of his just-turned-1 son and his wife asleep in the backseat of their car, and the child was forward-facing. I didn’t say anything because at the time, it was just an AAP recommendation to RF until 2. However, in the weeks since he posted that photo, PA has passed a new state law requiring RF until 2, so now I’m going to send him a message to let him know.
grapefruit / 4649 posts
I hate this dilemma too, my personal flow chart involves the question “can this be easily fixed in a moment” coupled with “is it actually a big deal?” So might say something to the mama with her car seat not settled in well with the high chair but not too the mama with a cart full of groceries and baby on top because what is she going to be able to do about it? Probably not the most ethically sound flow chart but it’s so tricky!
With close friends I’ve pushed my luck and just fixed the situation and told them I fixed it since their hands were full or some other excuse- like “I tightened baby’s car seat straps since they were loose and you had your hands full with toddler.” I would expect them to fix unsafe things too though and we’ve had conversations to that effect which helps.
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Such a tough one. But I usually let it go. Friends might receive that advice better than a stranger. Also, I think the majority of people still use the top part of the grocery cart to place he infant carrier. It’s so not where it should be, but I don’t go to Target without seeing it at least three times. I’m the odd one with my baby in the large part of the cart with bread on her lap, haha.
persimmon / 1310 posts
I’ve said something to people I know about improper car seat use, usually in an indirect way. I tried phrasing it in a really friendly way (like fun fact, did you know xyz about car seats?).
One time at Target I passed by a cart where the infant carrier was resting especially precariously on the top and a toddler was bouncing up and down in the cart. I gasped and muttered something about how scary it was, kind of hoping the parent would overhear it cause it was even worse than what you usually see. I couldn’t bring myself to address the person directly.
I too would like a flow chart!
GOLD / apricot / 341 posts
@Mrs. Chocolate: I am so impressed (and inspired) by your story. I think I would tend towards bristling in that situation, mostly I think just because I always question how good I actually am at this parenting gig and it is tough to take external second-guessing when you are already second-guessing yourself. But of course it’s smarter to actually learn and improve when someone points out how to do something better. I really hope I would respond as you did!
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I wouldn’t really want to hear from anyone about what they think is right or wrong. There are so many different parenting styles and thoughts on what’s ok and what’s not.
pomegranate / 3225 posts
Excellent post. I usually err on the side of saying nothing. Just this week I said something to a mom whose child was climbing the playground structure in a dangerous manner. She said she saw him but she couldn’t keep him from climbing. Fine. Such a tricky situation. If I’m honest with myself, I most definitely do not have all my car seats buckled tight enough, and (eeeek) I let my kids wear light jackets with them; sometimes my ergo is unsnapped; the list can go on and on.
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I have to ask about the car seat thing: what are you supposed to do if you need to go grocery shopping for a full cart of groceries? What if you have a rambunctious toddler and a baby in a car seat? One of our local stores now has this sling thing to hold them, but that’s one store. Not everyone has a baby carrier, and not every baby likes to be in one. How does this work, practically, for those of you who have been in this situation?
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@becky: just to respond to you. When my younger was in a infant seat we put her in the cart and the older one sat in the top part. I would use the space around the car seat and under the cart. DD1 top seat area was also used to house things! LOL Inthink if you’re in the situation where you grocery shop with 2 then just buy what you can fit in one trip? I’ve even held the older one while pushing the cart if she won’t sit. Fun times!
grapefruit / 4455 posts
Relationship matters. Context matters. In these cases I might have said something to the mom in the coffee shop who just clearly couldn’t see at that angle, no big deal, but not to the mom with the carrier on the shopping cart especially if she’s right next to the baby. I see these all the time and with my first I did it too for awhile.
cherry / 209 posts
Just curious, in Australia we have shopping trolleys that have like a baby carrier at the top. You can get 1 carrier, one normal seat, 2 seats, 2 carriers etc. Do they not have them in America?
cherry / 155 posts
I just thought about this last night at the playground– I watched a mom slide down the slide with her toddler (she was behind her), and I’ve read the tales about how that’s a recipe for disaster. You can break the toddler’s leg if it gets caught up and I know one personal story. I wanted to say something, but I didn’t. So hard!
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
I am not alone – hooray! I still grapple with when to say something. I think to many of your points above, context and relationship matters. I do also believe tone – like how @Mrs. Chocolate’s friend approached her – can really set how it is received.
And to your thought, @littlebug, alerting a friend of a new law is a great tactic.
And like @alphagam84, I think I’d want someone to say something to me. But my problem is assuming everyone is like me, ha!
I love @Cole’s suggestion of timing – can it be fixed immediately or is longer term? I might try asking myself this in the future!
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
@Mrs Music: I don’t think so – our carts have a little seat area on the top, and then one large space for items. I’ll have to google the kind you’re talking about!
persimmon / 1270 posts
There is a big difference for me between the things you might not see (the carseat at the coffee shop) and what might be a choice I don’t think is safe. I have a very daring adventurous 15 month old and always appreciate the heads up he just put a rock in his mouth or the extra hands that grab him as he runs for the gate at the park. I just can’t see everything all the time. I do my best to gently keep other children safe too.
The shopping card gets into ‘maybe they know they shouldn’t but are anyways’ and that is much harder to navigate.
Parenting is SO HARD and SO LONELY I try to find any small ways I can to be a team and keep my eyes out for all while still respecting that we all make choices with risks all the time and those are ours to make….
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In a world where there are SO many rules now when it comes to parenting and you are constantly being bombarded by “DO THIS” and “DON’T DO THIS” and then those do’s and dont’s change every two seconds, I think unless it is a matter of imminent danger (i.e. “Excuse me, but your toddler is about to climb into the gorilla exhibit”) we should go a little easy on parents. I agree that it takes a village, but I also agree there is a time and a place to say something.
pomelo / 5866 posts
One time LO was 18 months screaming her head off in Costco parking lot as I tried to buckle her in to her seat during a tantrum. It went on and I think we were causing a commotion. A lady walked by and said, Do you need help? Her tone bothered me and I said, No, I got it! I really was surprised I felt super annoyed and judged because I’m the type that loves help, loves to make friends, but I usually stay out of other people’s business. I still don’t know whether it was me or her being condescending. But my gut feeling was, Who is this lady? and How long was she standing there watching me? Even more so, I was in the car so I felt like my personal space was invaded. But then again, our noise was probably interrupting her day as well. I feel like she may have intervened because she felt it was a safety issue. In that case, it made me feel defensive like she thought I was abusing LO and that is why she was crying so loud. Anyway, with LO screaming at me for at least 5-10 mins in public, it was not a clear moment. So in any case, I normally wouldn’t step in unless it was an immediate safety issue, otherwise really watch people’s body language so you can tell if they welcome help or not.
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I agree with @Katelyn above – the recommendations and rules and new ways babies/kids get hurt change so often. Also not every smaller safety concern is the same priority for everyone. The slide example above…the likelihood being on a slide resulting in a broken leg is probably the same as breaking a bone falling off the monkey bars. If my kids want me to slide with them, I will and I’ll do my best to make sure they’re safe. That’s my own cost-benefit analysis. And if someone pointed that out, it would annoy me because I think that verges on the point of “if you’re doing that, you clearly don’t know the research like I do and therefore you don’t value your kids safety” when they could get hurt just as easily doing something else completely innocuous.
So I limit it to what feels like imminent danger OR if (like the highchair example above) it seems like the person was intending to do something and missed it. If I feel like the person has in some way assessed the situation themselves and made a choice (a la the shopping cart thing, EVEN if it’s possible that they aren’t aware) then I don’t say anything.