A friend of mine once told me that during the 3’s her kids’ behavior was usually good for 2 weeks then bad for 1. During the 4’s, they were good for 3 weeks then bad for 1. As they got older, their behavior increasingly improved. Mrs. Wagon recently wrote that 4 has been fabulous. We’re only a month into the fours with Charlie, but sadly they haven’t been that fabulous for us yet.
I learned the term “threenager” on the Hellobee boards, and that best describes what Charlie was like through his 3’s — he could be perfectly happy one second then throwing a tantrum the next. Before he turned 3, he was a relatively mellow child. Sure he threw the occasional tantrum, but they were usually tied to him being hungry or tired. The tantrums in his 3’s were more frequent, bigger, longer, and seemingly much more irrational (see 46 Reasons Why my 3 Year Old Might be Freaking Out). The 3’s were much harder than the 2’s for us, and I was really looking to the 4’s as the end of his threenager period.
But Charlie’s behavior this past week has been pretty horrible. He’s been defiant, throwing tantrums, saying hurtful things, and acting up in school. Yesterday was a particularly bad day. Whenever Charlie is “off,” I go through a list of things to try to figure out the cause.
– Is he tired? This is probably the #1 cause of his (and most children’s) behavioral problems. I’ve read that even a sleep deficit of 1 hour can have a big impact (I read that in Sleepless in America: Is Your Child Misbehaving… or Missing Sleep?). Shortly after Charlie started pre-k last September he also dropped his monster afternoon nap, so a sleep deficit can build up pretty quickly for him. Ideally he needs 12 hours of sleep at night, but often he ends up getting 11 hours, sometimes even 10 hours. The only way he’ll nap lately on the weekends is if we have a really busy morning and he falls asleep in the stroller, and even that is rare. I’ve been known to push him around for hours, just so he can get that extra sleep.
– Is he hungry? This doesn’t affect him as much as it used to when he was younger, but hunger can affect anyone’s mood.
– Is he constipated? This doesn’t affect every child, but Charlie has battled constipation off and on for the past 2 years. For some reason when he’s acting up and then goes to the bathroom — even if he hasn’t been constipated — he instantly becomes better behaved.
– Is he getting too much sugar? Shortly after Charlie started pre-k, his general behavior started getting worse. Then I found out that he was getting chocolate milk or juice 4 times a day, when he hadn’t been used to getting any sweet beverages. We asked his teachers not to give him any chocolate milk or juice, and we definitely saw an improvement in his behavior. He doesn’t get much sugar day to day now, but he does have a lot of birthday parties in class and consumed a lot of sugar over the holidays with all the gingerbread houses, cookies, and holiday treats.
– Is he getting too much screen time? There are countless studies out there on how screentime affects children. Charlie doesn’t ask to watch tv or play games very often, and he is generally fine with very little screen time, limited only to the weekends. But lately we’ve been stuck indoors a lot with the cold weather, and Olive got a lot of extra screen time while she was weaning, which meant extra screen time for Charlie. In the past excessive screen time when we’ve traveled has affected Charlie’s behavior. We don’t see it as much now that he’s older, but whenever he starts acting out, we reel back the screen time because it can’t hurt!
– Is he getting enough exercise? Exercise has a huge impact on mood even for adults, and I can imagine it does even moreso for energetic little kids. Charlie has not been getting as much exercise as usual lately because it’s been raining and snowing a lot, so he hasn’t been getting outdoor time at school. And because it’s been cold, we’ve been spending a lot more time indoors at home on the weekends as well.
– Has there been a big change in his routine/life? There was a big change in Charlie’s life recently because I took over his bedtime routine 3 weeks ago when we weaned Olive. Mr. Bee has been doing his bedtime routine for over two years since Olive was born while I’ve been doing Olive’s, but we switched during the weaning process. That meant that Charlie got almost no quality time with Mr. Bee during the week because evenings are so busy with dinner, bath, homework, etc. He seemed to be fine with the switch, but he had a particularly bad day yesterday. My working theory is that he was acting out because he wanted more attention from Mr. Bee.
Charlie also just spent almost 3 weeks at home with the Christmas break and snow days, so going back to school was a big transition.
– Is he getting enough quality time/attention? Charlie goes to public pre-k all day and then is in an after school program until 5pm. Though he had similar schedule when he was in daycare and was perfectly fine, I think public school is much more demanding because he’s learning so much more, he’s surrounded by so many other kids which provides more opportunities for conflict, and he attends two separate programs which involves a big transition. It really is a lot for someone so young to handle, and I think he needs us a little more even though he is older now, than he was when he was in a small, loving daycare environment.
Charlie also went from hanging out with us all day every day over Christmas break to going back to school full-time, so he definitely hasn’t been getting nearly as much quality time lately as he had been the past month. Acting out could be his way of getting more attention.
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I think his poor behavior the past couple of days can be explained by a couple of the reasons listed above. The biggest is probably the change in routine, exacerbated by lack of exercise, and I always think that sleep is a factor somehow. So we’re going to try to get to bed a little earlier, get some exercise — even if it just means a walk around the block, eliminate screen time because that’s easy to do and less screen time means more quality time, and pick him up earlier from school so that we have more time together in the evenings.
I’m not sure if Mr. Bee should go back to doing Charlie’s bedtime routine because is that rewarding him for his poor behavior? Will that teach him that if he misbehaves at night he will get his way? Charlie is already so close to Mr. Bee and lately Olive cries for me every night. We are all very close — Charlie just favors Mr. Bee and Olive favors me. But I’m not sure how much favoring one parent is or isn’t an issue.
In the past, we had good results with discipline (especially timeouts), but these days it doesn’t really work with Charlie. In the past year or so, we’ve had the most success with positive parenting where we empathize with him and allow him to express his anger/frustration. We want him to be able to feel bonded to us enough to tell us how he’s feeling. I try not to lecture in the moment and once the intensity of his feelings in the moment have subsided, we talk things through and he always expresses remorse and apologizes. Honestly it can be really hard to remain patient and not lose my cool with him sometimes! But getting upset does not have any positive effects on our relationship, so it’s something that I’m always working on.
Ultimately I’m not sure how much of the changes will affect Charlie, but they can’t hurt. Maybe he acts out sometimes because he’s just still a little kid trying to figure out his own independence and emotions. I can understand that. I’m right there with him trying to figure out every new challenge this whole parenting thing brings with each age.
What causes your little one to misbehave or throw tantrums and how do you respond?
Toddler Tantrums part 12 of 12
1. How to prevent tantrums: A guide to the 5 triggers and 2 stressors that cause tantrums by Mr. Bee2. The Power of Timeouts by Mr. Bee
3. The Case Against Timeouts by Mr. Bee
4. Three Ways to say "no" to your kids by Mr. Bee
5. From Devil to Angel: "Tina's No" by mrs. wagon
6. What Shamu Taught Me About Happy Toddlers by Mr. Bee
7. The Best Parenting Book I've Ever Read by Mr. Bee
8. Cracking the code on toddler tantrums by Mrs. Jacks
9. What would Ellie do? Managing tantrums. by Mrs. Jacks
10. The Trenches of Toddler-Dom by Mrs. High Heels
11. The Nurtured Heart Approach: Disciplining for Greatness by Mrs. Twine
12. Diagnosing Tantrums and Behavioral Problems for 3-4 Year Olds by Mrs. Bee
pomelo / 5628 posts
I wonder how much the weather has affected things. It kind of makes me think of Seasonal Affective Disorder. Has e been able to get enough sun?
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@Mrs Green Grass: that is an excellent point that i forgot to consider. i’ve been talking about amping up the entire family’s vitamin d which we did last year. will pick some up today!
honeydew / 7444 posts
I love this post, and i think it could even apply to just under 2 and the 2s. Sleep definitely affects my LO and it takes a whole day for her to catch up. Screen time also affects her in that she gets upset when we don’t let her.
When Charlie is being bad, is he requesting that mr. bee put him to bed? Not having any quality time with the preferred parent (when that’s what you’ve been used to for so long) could explain some of his behaviour – is there any kind of compromise you could come to? Could Charlie have some 1 on 1 time with him on the weekend for a couple of hours?
blogger / pomelo / 5361 posts
This is really interesting. I find the posts about dealing with behavior issues and tantrums very helpful even though we’re only just starting to get a glimpse now and then of temper tantrums, etc. It makes me feel like I’ll have more tools in my arsenal when we hit the twin-fit days.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@Freckles: that was the issue last night specifically for the first time, but when he is misbehaving it is usually other things.
oftentimes he gets upset over the most random inexplicable things. likes last week he melted down because olive washed her hands first and he wanted to go first. there are probably underlying causes like a sleep deficit in play, but many of his tantrums are for things like that!
kiwi / 511 posts
I live the “threenager” I have one too, but I will add one to that list mine likes to tell me “I’m still sleeping” and then proceeds to toss the blanket over his head. Mind you this happens even if he woke up himself and is ready to get up or if I have to wake him up. I want to know where did he learn that phrase?
You could try alternating the bedtime thing. It used to be if I put DS1 to bed then Mr. Maven would put DS2 to bed. Now both boys got to bed within 30ish minutes of each other (DS2 has to be in bed asleep first) I get one night with both boys and then Mr.Maven gets the next. It is usually alternating but we are not sticklers, if one of us is especially tired the other of us will do it twice or more in a row. And if DS1 asks specifically for one of us we try to accommodate that but sometimes it just isn’t realistic.
But back to the tantrums, yes he has them and they are usually due to lack of sleep and lack of individual attention (meaning his brother is getting more than him). We try to give him special time (after the tantrum not as a reward) and get him more sleep. Tantrums we tell him are not spectator sports and he has to go in his room.
I think part of his acting out right now is due to growing pains. He is more tired than normal, eating like he has a hollow leg, his balance seems off and every joint hurts him. My knee hurts, my elbow hurts, my feet (he means ankles because that is where he is pointing) hurt, I don’t think he is making it up but it just so tough to figure out if something really hurts or if he wants medicine because (1) his little brother is teething (canines) and getting medicine because he hurts and (2) he likes the taste of Advil.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@Mrs.Maven: that is realllly interesting about growing pains!
charlie has been complaining a lot lately that his leg has been hurting! lately his shirts and pants all seem to have gotten too short overnight! unfortunately he is eating less than usual not more.
when we try to switch up bedtime — i put olive down recently for example — she just cries for me. but when she is used to mr. bee putting her down, she goes down easily, quickly, without a fuss and doesn’t ask for me.
we’re all in a transitional period now that olive has been weaned, and i’m sure it’s a big change for all of us. bedtime is SUCH a bonding time, and the change has rocked everyone’s boat!
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
I love this post, because as with all things parenting, I am always cautious and aware of the fact that the next challenge is right around the corner!! And the older Wagon Jr. gets, the less control we really have over things like making sure he’s never hungry, making sure he doesn’t have too much sugar, etc. Plus, the older he gets, the more relaxed we get with limits such as screen time.
As fabulous as 4 has been for us, Wagon Jr. obviously still has his tantrums, and every single time I can attribute it to one of these things!! Usually skipping a nap or too much sugar. He does ask for screentime, and when we let him go nuts (has happened several times over the holidays since we were all so sick!) his attitude goes through the roof, and that immediately leads to a time out and no more screentime until he can prove his attitude is better!
I know we are lucky because time outs still work really well with him. He’s an empathetic little kid so talking through a time out still works, but I know that will stop once the rebellion hits!
blogger / pomegranate / 3491 posts
How about the full moon? that is what I am blaming the uptick in tantrums on over here. Seriously though, love this checklist.
honeydew / 7488 posts
My DD is 5, and the source of most of her tantrums (yes, she still has them) is jealousy of her younger brother. It is becoming very apparent that she has perfectionist and high achiever tendencies, and seeing her brother get lots of attention because he is doing all kinds of neat 2 yr old things has been making her feel like she is 2nd fiddle. I feel terrible because we didn’t mean to make her feel like this, but I also feel terrible because she can’t take pride in all the new things he’s doing and be happy for him. I guess that’s a lot to expect from a little 5 yr old. Trying to give her the attention she needs without just saying “you’re awesome too, or good job” all the time is challeging and causing me a lot of stress!
GOLD / apricot / 341 posts
This post could not have come at a better time for us. Alec is a month into his threes and we are still in shock at the change in him. I cannot believe how irrational and emotional he suddenly is. I hadn’t heard the term “threenager” before, but it’s spot on. He’s is worse than a 14-year old girl. @Mrs. Bee: thank you for this post and for the list!
blogger / eggplant / 11551 posts
I love this post! Hearting it for sure.
It’s a great idea to go down each of those one by one and troubleshoot – I want to print it out and post it up somewhere! I almost always attribute tantrummy behavior to sleep, hunger, or screen time, but there are a lot of other factors to consider that don’t always cross my mind.
Noelle has been so opposite of what I imagined the 3’s to be… she’s been so sweet, helpful, and great with expressing her feelings – I’m pretty floored. Like all things parenting though, I know there isn’t any guarantee that she’ll always be like so it’s good to always be prepared!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@Mini Piccolini: charlie had a big change right when he turned 3 too! it’s not all gloom and doom…. 3 can be amazing too! but it can also try your patience like nothing ever has!
grapefruit / 4291 posts
So I don’t yet have a fully fledged toddler but I don’t think that having Mr Bee do Charlie’s bedtime would be rewarding bad behaviour, I think it would more be a case of meeting his emotional needs. I guess I’m firmly in the camp that you can’t spoil a child with love, affection and attention!
apricot / 335 posts
@Mrs. Bee: google “testosterone surge four year old”
Boys’ testosterone levels go from pretty much nothing to massively high (around puberty levels) sometime around the age of four. Steve biddulph, who wrote “raising boys”, has a great section on the behavioural changes that come along with the hormone surge. We have really, really felt it with our little man (4 in February) who has been having periodical Incredible Hulk moments the last few weeks. It coincided with major surgery, Christmas (and the attendant lapses in normal routine and diet) so it took me awhile to pinpoint that there is actually something developmental going on. A friend mentioned the testosterone thing and I read up about it just this week, parents’ descriptions I read could’ve been written about T!!
Good luck with it all – and staying sane in the cold. X
pomegranate / 3503 posts
Grest post! My son is 4 as well. I find that he’s been a lot more assertive lately. He’ll often rebut what the things I say to him and sometimes he makes perfect sense. He’s constantly bargaining with me now – if I do this, can I get that? I’m really happy that he’s presenting a stronger personality because that means he’s doing that at school too. He used to just hang in the background a lot. But it also makes for tougher situations for us when he’s acting up. I find that his biggest reason for acting up is still lack of sleep. School is just so demanding and even though he still takes and hour nap there, he still comes home pretty exhausted. The second is attention, in the evenings, we’re all just so busy that he doesn’t get the attention he wants. I need to be better about that. I still think screen time is not good for them which he does get when my husband comes him. Screentime just teaches him instant gratification because everything happens with just a swipe of his finger. So now whenever he asks for something, he expects it to happen immediately. I’m working currently working on patience with him. He’s definitely a little boy now with full fledged opinions and preferences. We’re still working on how we relate to each other. But when he’s loving, he commits to that 100% and is so expressive with his emotions. That part is great.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@mrs.cookie: that was fascinating! i’m learning so much from the comments. definitely going to get that book!
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I’m going through this right now! I think I’m going to buy the book.
kiwi / 500 posts
@T-Mom: I find mySelf nodding at everything you described! I
Have a DD who’s about to turn three. She’s really a pretty easy child to take care of but the root of most of her meltdowns and random tantrums seem to be around her little brother. He’s just curious and trying to engage her and learn from her but she finds him to be so pesty and ruining everything she does or
Touches her stuff (she’s territorial). Half my day is spent mediating their spats. I am so jealous of parents who have kids
That get along and dote on one another. I hope there’s a new day around every corner but I feel like I just keep
Waiting
honeydew / 7488 posts
@anewme: I think it’s definitely challenging when the eldest is a girl and younger one is a boy, as in both our cases. Even though my DD is really mean to my DS sometime (stemming from the jealousy I’m sure) he just lets it go. But whatever he does to her, she takes it so personally. Anyway I commiserate with you! I am trying to have daily one on one time with my DD. Also I’m trying hard not to place the blame back on her by saying she’s the oldest and should “know better”, which is what my parents did to me (and i was so bitter aboit it). Hang in there.. If I have any breakthroughs I will let you know..